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I wonder if Poles might look at trading for Kayvon Thibideaux from the Giants, assuming the Giants take Carter at #3 and depending on how the draft breaks. He only had 5 1/2 sacks last year but had 11 1/2 a year ago. Most seem to be speculating that it would take a 3rd round pick. So maybe if you go some combination of LT, RB, and S or DT with your first three picks, you take a swing on Thibideaux instead of the available edges in the third.

I tend to agree, then you look at if they draft a 3rd round guy that blows the league up and they are in a worse situation were both Odunze and the rookie contract is up the same year. The only way they go round 1 WR is if they have that player graded as special and will add points. If the QB cannot sit in the pocket, then it doesn't matter who is running routes bc the QB will be scrambling like the last 3 or more years.

there is NO way we draft a WR at 10. we would be wasting either this pick or last years in odu. that would mean we have 2 top ten receiver contracts coming due at nearly the same time. with all the other holes to fill, WR this high is NOT one we need that high. if they do that they are insane.

Tony Pauline saying Conerly a possibility at 10. https://www.sportskeeda.com/nfl/news-insider-notes-red-flags-will-johnson-jihaad-campbell-possible-kirk-cousins-saints-trade

The old dad on the bottom of the screen was a successful college head coach, and he was offered OL coach positions in the NFL multiple times. So he understands blocking schemes and technique, and he taught is son, Phil, OL play all growing up. Phil played WR at Hofstra. He wasnt very good. Not fast enough. LOL But when the old guy says something, I definitely listen and look at what hes talking about to see.

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To be honest, there's many different players to be happy about if we get them. When the dust settles, I want 4 good players with our first 4 picks.if they screw that up we won't know for a few years. I'm hopeful they get it right.

thats always the best. my advice is dont just judge the outcome of the rep, but the style, the technique, you wanna see low pads, arching back when absorbing energy, low butt. One thing that could be better for Bansk is that he sometimes tries to initiate contact a little too early int he run game, so he lunges. But I think its better to teach someone patience, than to try to light a fuse under them. I highly recommend that TTNL footage on the Georgia game, Ill link it here again. He goes into detail about what to look for. I know hes abrasive, but he knows what hes talking about and he is like a guide to remind you where to look. ANd hes facing two top draft prospects 1 on 1. Definitely start at 19:00 in to skip the crap.

I going to watch more tape to see if I can get where you're at or see why other people say what they say. I have the time to do that.

I should also say that Simmons is the wild card. If we have some info on his injury that's positive, and believe he will be ready, then he might play into this too at 10 or 20(ish)

There are several special players like Jeanty, Golden, maybe some DL that may be worth taking no matter what. They are just that good. I think we should have done something in FA at LT if that's the way we're going, but i cant tell anyone that taking Jeanty or Golden is a bad idea. They are studs. 100% - If we trade UP for Jeanty, we will all cry, but if he turns out to be Walter Payton 2.0 we will all be really glad it happened. I can see it. But I also think LT is a glaring need, and giving Caleb consistent time unmolested for the next 5 years is a really good idea too. Jeanty is a stud, but there are HBs to be had in the 2nd round who are great. I like Kaleb Johnson personally, but Henderson is OK too, and Skatebo is pretty fun to watch. I dont think there will be any starting LTs let by say pick 26 or earlier. 20 to be safe.

you have to swing for the fences when the player is right. Just like we could have gotten a haul instead of Caleb. But we swung for the fences. And i still think we were right to do it - this season and next will show that.

right, but if everything tells you that, then you take the risk. in your way of thinking youd have a team full of decent guys and no superstars, because superstars cost and they arent guaranteed?

Yes. For me if Banks is gone, and Warren is what's left for you for example, I have traded down between 17 and 20 and taken Ersery there. Then I got an extra 2nd round pick, so I get a lot of drafts like: 20 Ersery 39 BPA Nolen or Starks or a DE some kind of help on D 41 BPA WR or TE 48 Kaleb Johnson That extra 2nd round pick gives you those extra BPA guys. My current rules say: 1) You must get a starting LT - and that's hard to do as low as 39. So you kinda gotta snag Ersery around 20 if you dont get one at 10 2) You must get a starting HB - and so thats T Henderson or K Johnson with one of your second rounders if it isnt Jeanty at 10. So mathematically, to comply with both rules... If you dont get Banks, say you take Jeanty, then you almost have to trade up into the first round around 20 to get Ersery in order to satisfy my rules above. If you dont follow them, you risk LT or HB being not good enough depending on how things fall. If you do trade down though, then that gives you TWO best player available picks in the 2nd round. You get your OT, and a RB, and you get 2 more picks to help on D, or add that WR3 or TE2. I like Malakai Starks a lot at Safety. He's a luxury pick this year. If we trade down, Id make him the extra guy at the top of the 2nd. And if you spend the 10th pick, then you lose that extra guy. So it all depends who is there at 10, but if you trade back, then you get an extra guy, but if you stay at 10 and dont pick a LT then you have to spend a 2nd and a 3rd to get back up into the first to take an OT. ***** In the end these are the scenarios that end up with both good OT and HB ***** #1 Trade back for Ersery, you dont get Banks or Jeanty but you get 3 x 2nd rounders one must be HB Ersery, HB & BPA 2 x 2nds, 1 x 3rd OR #2 Stay at 10 and take Banks and you get 2 x 2nd round players one must be HB Banks, HB & BPA 1 x 2nd, 1 x 3rd OR #3 You take Jeanty and you get 1 x 2nd round players for a BPA but you lose the other 2nd and your 3rd to move back into the first for Ersery Jeanty, Ersery & 1 x BPA 2nd so Ersery, HB & BPA 2 x 2nds, 1 x 3rd Banks, HB & BPA 1 x 2nd, 1 x 3rd Jeanty, Ersery, BPA 1 x 2nd I like #2 best because Ersery is a step down, but you can sell me on #3 too because of Jeanty #1 is the haul, but you miss both blue chippers Jeanty and Banks.

I have watched about 5 games against his toughest opponents. I watched the plays multiple times, checked the feet, checked the bend and anchor. Saw the "sack" against Georgia where he kept the pocket clean for 5 seconds, and then got his guy on the ground, and then the QB steps up like 3 seconds late into the picket and the guy on the ground gets his shoe. So PFF gives Banks a sack for that. it's not reality. I'll take 5 seconds of clean protection and then a pancake as a GOOD rep any day. Plus bansk is excellent at handing guys off and reading stunts and stuff. Seriously, you WANT this guy on your team! How am I having flashbacks of trying to convince you that Caleb Williams is a good QB prospect?! If Brugler thinks Banks plays too high, then he isn't worth listening to about anything. i don't care how many gold stars are next to his name, if he says that, then he's an idiot. In order for me to be wrong, Banks would have to have played high in the other games, but not at all in the games i watched. What are the odds of that? And if that's what happened, then Banks knows how to not play high, because he didnt, so it's not a problem. Honestly I think in one of the recent videos you linked he said CAMPBELL plays high and you got it twisted. I watched and he was talking about Campbell. Whatever the reason, Banks doesnt play high, and if someone says he does, then they don't know what they are talking about. It's not subjective. You can watch the film. Find me 5 snaps where he plays high. Seriously. This is getting ridiculous. The King of NFL media says 2+2 = 5, and Im just a common farmer, and Im like "wait, no thats not right" Doubling down on the expert factor just makes my point that experts dont know crap a lot of the time.

I would trade our 1st, a 2nd and a future 2nd to move up and get Carter. He’s a total stud end talent and in my mind you get that player on a rookie deal you do it. For the record I don’t think what I’m offering is quite enough but that is as steep as I would go. I’m not giving up a future 1st.

I think if one of Jeanty, Graham or they grade an LT as a stud isn’t there - I am moving on down. Ideally as far as 20….pick up a 2nd and 3rd (or get a 4th and a future 3rd if we don’t get a 3rd).

I still can’t see it happening - at least not with Campbell. Someone is taking him before 10. I also think same for Graham but if people fall in love with a db, a skill position player at wideout and Warren, plus Jeanty - it certainly could happen.

This is an excellent point.

That's the risk, being wrong,no one knows a person is going to be Hall of Famer in a pre draft rookie season.

Serious question, how much tape have you watched? DJ, Dane Brugler watches every snap of a players career. They don't base an opinion on highlight films and a few game films.

I looked at the speed of all our WRs and only Duvernay is under 4.4. 4.39. I had seen Golden ran a 4.25 at his pro day and 4.29 at the combine. If he wants speed and another weapon, Golden is easily the choice. There's only a couple speed WRs he is the second highest rated wideout after McMillan. TE, DE, RB ,DT and OL has good choices in the 2nd and 3 rd. Also Draft Buzz gives him a 67% blocking grade, something Ben said was necessary for his WRs. I have mentioned before to not sleep on this as our pick.

From a true BPA value standpoint, and after all I've seen and read over the last few months I'd have to say Mathew Golden makes the most sense at 10. Having a legit 3rd WR is a need as well. Rome, DJ, and Golden is an insane trio for Caleb to throw to. My heart still prefers Nolen or even Wiliams, with a fallback to Banks since I want to build the trenches. I'll probably change my mind tomorrow.

How does Kelvin Banks play too high? If you watch the tape he has great pad level. Campbell plays too high. Also, he did very well against top competition. I dont get it. It's like living in crazyland. PFF and Daniel Jeremiah. If thats what they think, then they shouldn't be analysts! Someone show me 5 snaps where Banks plays too high! And please dont get me wrong, this isn't Banks love from me. The reason I like Banks is because hes good. I didnt randomly pick him and then decide to defend him! The only reason I like him in the first place is his tape!

I've been listening to a lot of mocks and such lately on Da Tube. Here is a compilation of various scouting opinions (not mine) that go against the grain. Some of these are "my guys" too. Keep in mind I am paraphrasing a week's worth of reviews so don't quote me on anything. I just wanted to bring up some negatives I've heard on many of the players we're looking at as our pick between 10 to 20 if we trade back. One thing worth noting as we head into draft day. Jeremiah and Dane Brugler were both adamant that their boards are generic and reflect nothing about scheme. What a board looks like for each team is going to be wildly different based on scheme and needs. If you need a slot WR then you won't have Tet McMillan as the top WR. Mason Graham: Brett Kohlman and EJ Snyder both agree that he's talented but will not be a great player in the NFL because if he does not win early in the rep he can't win at all on a second move once the OG or OT has his hands on him. They didn't say he won't be a good player just not a great three-down DT. If teams see it this way then it explains the rumors he's slipping out of the top 5. Kenneth Grant: From Daniel Jeremiah... for his size he lacks the power you'd expect him to play with. There is upside to his skillset but he's far from being close to it. He has him ranked 31 overall. Walter Nolen: Various sources, PFF, Jeremiah and others. Seems there are work ethic issues, rumors he walked off the practice field at least once. Indications he takes plays off too. The raw talent is there to be the best DT in this draft and a true blue chip player. Kelvin Banks: Jeremiah, PFF, others. He plays too high. He's good against lower competition but against the good teams and players he struggled. He's going to face that caliber of player every game in the NFL. Tyler Warren: Just not a good enough athlete to really separate as a runner. Good all around. Mykel Williams: Not enough production as a pass rusher but a true stud as a run defender. He's a little stiff at the top of the arc. He has enough talent to improve as a pass rusher but his ceiling might not be as high as his run defense. Derek Harmon: Best pure interior pass rusher if you want pressure, equally effective in the run game. Can't bend, or change direction well, misses a lot of tackles. Membou: Unknown on the left side. Skills fit but risk/reward is not ideal if that's your only Oline need. Everybody loves Jeanty even if he's not quite in the same class as Bijan Robinson. Consensus seems to be there are 3 legit blue chips in this draft: Hunter, Carter, and at a slightly lower level Jeanty. If you think the challenge of trying to find a good player to draft at 10 it's far worse for the teams ahead of us. Trading down out of the top 10 is too pricey for anyone to move up significantly and then what player would be worth that price? This is going to be an interesting draft to look back on in 3 years. I don't even know who I want at 10 anymore.