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I did say none of this matters because IMO, we're not taking an OL at 10. If you addressed that somewhere in your rant, I missed it. In the beginning of the off-season I wanted an OL and then we picked up our IOL Things change as we acquire assets as we move along. I still wanted a OL at 10 until AZ54 gave his opinion about why he doesn't think we will. I changed my mind after that.

If you follow him, he has had different players thru out the off-season as our pick . Look at the dates when you offer something up for information. The one I found was from about 3 weeks ago. Order THE BEAST and see where his final projection is on his Big Board I not wasting my money for sake of argument. When you start doing player evaluations for lots of money let me know so I can then list you with the experts AND I will still disagree if you have the same opinion.

I just used him as an example, and I don't subscribe to the Athletic anymore, the last one I saw was from 3 weeks ago. It's not him against you it's people that do this for a living against a fan's opinion. Of course you have been right before that doesn't verify you as some kind an expert. Some people rate him high and some don't. I already said none of this matters,but we ain't taking him at 10 . I don't agree with anybody that says we are , let alone any OL. Get sick of what ever you want but because you think you are smarter than , everyone else means nothing to me. We are nor comparing degrees, awards, just opinions. For some reason, other people on here say the same thing as I do and you say, I understand your opinion but you constantly push back on my opinion because you don't like me. I just don't have your ego, after the draft, if we take Banks, I'll be a fan and you can gloat how smart you are. If we don't take him , I'm not going to gloat ( see I was right) because it's just opinions. I DON'T CARE

In other Mocks, Brugler has us taking OG Booker and OT Simmons. So he is consistent that we will take OL. 10 is kinda early for a guard isnt it? And Simmons has injury concerns. But moslty I gotta wonder. If Brugler is the holy guru who knows all, why does he keep changing his mind? And how does that prove we are wrong if he proves himself wrong by changing his mind? This is why the argument of authority is a well known logical fallacy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority

our main needs are the trenches for sure. I wouldnt mind adding S, WR and/or TE too. not necessarily with the first pick though.

I agree - he's almost like another QB coach.

LOL I just googled Bruglers mock draft. He says the player taken by the Bears is... wait for it... OT Kelvin Banks Jr. SO what are you even talking about?! https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/mock-drafts/2025/the-athletic-2025-dane-brugler?date=2024-12-04

I would love to debate the subjectivity of how you see him vs how I see him - that's what this place is for. What it isnt for is you continuing to make the same logical error. You say Brugler is an authority. I can find other authorities that are just as credentialed as Brugler that agree with me. Therefore being credentialed doesn't mean anything because credentialed people agree with you AND me. And disagree with eachother. If you remove the draft sites you mentioned as fringe (I agree they are - never head of them), the numbers skew even more in my favor. I just took the first 21 and included those sites so you wouldnt say I was cherry picking. The more mainstream the source on that list, the more they agreed with me. And in either case the median average was still 13. And again, you need to understand, I am not saying that because 65%+ of the experts agree with me that I am am right. I am simply saying that PROVES you WRONG when you say "the experts agree that Banks goes 15 to 25." That is factually wrong. That's what the mock drafts showed. Nothing more. So yeah, you have some guys you read that you think are smarter than all of us, and that's your "evidence" that what we think is wrong. Despite us having a majority of experts who agree with us. (which again, doesnt prove anything other than that being an expert doesnt make you right) Make an argument or dont, but I am getting sick of you discounting any opinion that isnt one of the guys you read. Good for you that you follow someone. We are here to debate, and shutting down debate with the continued ONLY argument that we cant know anything or have a valid opinion because we arent your expert is rude. I know what I see when I watch Banks tape. And my opinion is a valid one. I've been right before, I think I deserve the respect of you telling my WHY I'm wrong other than the same tired argument that I'm not an expert, but you ARE because youre just parroting one?

Keenum is here to mentor Caleb, Bagent, and Austin Reed. He's 3rd on the depth chart and his presence is to help them get up to speed with a new system, breaking down tape, and give them someone to look up to on how a vet goes about preparing everyday though out the season. It is a smart move, IMO. Caleb needed this last year especially getting through the debacle the Bears put him through with Waldron and Brown, then firing Flus.

Yeah, and I thought that was a great pick at #41 lol.

I hope he wears some anti-concussion gear this year like the Q-collar.

That's pretty much where I'm at. We have more needs, as do most teams, but we have to get 4 good players out of this opportunity. Although I want to come out of this draft feeling good about the depth in the trenches, however they choose to do it.

The website you listed lists 1160 mock drafts to do their consensus. Yes lots of legitimate sites are included. Also ( PlayerProfiler) (Predominantly Orange) (DraftPlex) (Daft on Draft), , my hand would be sore listing all that isn't legimate outlets. You are correct in saying I listen to people I trust to be legimate that help form my opinion, and you just gave me a list of other opinions that say Banks is top 13. Isn't that's using other opinions to make your point? I've watched tape of Banks games (7) also. We could watch the exact same play and I could say he didn't handle that well and you tell me he did a good job. It's subjective. Obviously pancake plays, sacks and penalties are obvious. I am going to agree with you for sake of argument and say Banks is the best LT in the draft and it wouldn't matter. The bears aren't drafting a OL at pick 10, that's my main point. Poles values Kiran and Braxton more than you do and he gets to do the picking.. There really isn't any point on arguing draft rankings anymore. It doesn't matter. You may be right about Banks but I trust Dane Bruglers opinion more than your film watching ability . He has spent hours on every player, seen them play before. I have no idea of the kinda time you have watched Banks play football.

I have no idea what youre talking about. The page I linked to wasnt of fan mocks? it was the main sportswriters at all those major publications. CBS, NBC, FOx Sports, NFL.com, PFF, PFN, Sports Illustrated. THese were the mocks their experts did, the articles they wrote. And I only submitted them to rebut one claim you made - that the experts see Banks as lower than they actually obviously do. that's factually wrong, and I proved it. Maybe Banks sucks, but expert opinions from the mainstream sports press do not make 13 equivalent to 15-25. That's false. I also say that mocks are not what drives my opinion. I just put them there to prove your assertion about experts is wrong. I submitted the most mainsrteam experts. What drives me is film. I know what Ive seen. Your entitled to your opinions of course, but i believe they are wrong. I think Banks is a top pick, experts think he is a top pick, the film says he is a top pick. But thats not proof of course. When all the "experts" were still saying Fields was good, I already KNEW he would never be good. I knew it from the tape. I knew he had crap protection. I didnt count those plays. I knew he had dropped balls, and I didnt count those plays either. But I saw a ton of plays where he was protected with guys open and didnt pull the trigger. Once I knew that I KNEW, not opinion, Id seen the proof. I KNOW what kind of player Banks is. I cannot predict how he or Campbell or any of them will go from here. But I KNOW that right now, hes a top pick, and I feel comfortable with 65% of the so called experts saying he will be gone by 13. Will he go even earlier? I hope not, but it's a distinct possibility. But if youve thought I was putting fan mocks up, you didnt get my point at ALL. Your constant argument seems to be that some writer you trust told you something. It's not YOUR opinion, it's theirs, and then the only defense you give for it is that they are experts and we arent. Well anyone whos read sportswriters for any period of time knows they are not infalliable. To say the least. You say "X says Y" and then maybe we say "well I disagree, because I dont see Y on the tape" and you say "well youre just a stupid fan, and you dont know as much as my guy X knows" and then we say "well heres a bunch of OTHER experts who are JUST as credentialed as yours who disagree!" - doesnt that prove that credentials dont prove anyone is right? If others of the same pedigree disagree? Its a classic logical fallacy called the "argument from authority" and it isnt an argument at all because other authorities disagree, so therefore being an authority doesnt make you right. Being right does. You cant say "2+2=5 because Im a math PHD" and some homeless guy says "well Ive got two beers in one hand, and two in the other and they add up to four" and you say "well youre not a math PHD" so which matters most? logical proof, or credentials? Especially when other math PHDs are saying 2+2=4 and maybe some crazy other ones are saying it equals 2. At some point you have to count the freakin beers and prove your are right or not, regardless of credentials. Watching a LT play and evaluating them isnt rocket science dude. There are things to look for, and it's all on the tape. Many tens or hundreds of thousands of people can do it. They may disagree on evaluation, but at least they can argue on points, not just authority. For example Doctor A says you have one disease, Doctor B says another. Im not a doctor but I say I think it's B too. So you say, "you're not a Doctor and Doctor A says its one disease" but... Doctor B IS a doctor and he says something else. So doesnt that mean being a Doctor doesnt mean youre right? My sportswriters are just as credentialed as yours, and they disagree, so being credentialed doesnt prove anything. Thats the logical fallacy - the argument from authority. I wish for once youd just tell me "I dont like your guy Banks because he plays too high" or "Banks has poor lateral movement" or SOMETHING more than a 40 time or an arm measurement - those are lazy narratives that are excuses for not doing the homework of actually watching the tape. But all you say is "well a guy I read doesnt agree with you, and their opinion is better than yours" And at some point, since all the good writers disagree, I gotta just call BS and say "argue something substantive more than just we cant possibly know because we are just fans" because its insulting, and its not really a debate point at all. Seriously, have you watched more than 10 minutes of highlights on any of these guys? You really look at Banks and dont see Pro Bowler potential? Really? You see Membou on tape and think he looks better? I dont think you would say that if youd LOOKED at the tape. It's just something you read someone else said. That's not a debate. It's some combination of blind faith in a couple writers and stubbornness. So from now on, don't tell me my opinion doesn't count because I'm just a fan. A lot of us have been watching football a long time, and I learn stuff from fellow posters here all the time. Lots of smart people here with educated opinions. Tell me why YOU think Im wrong about a player. Tell me what YOU see. This argument of authority thing isn't gonna fly any more. I could well be wrong about anything - tell me why Im wrong, dont just dismiss me (and all of us) by saying we can't know what we're talking about.

Good tape. Another player I have watched that's looked good is Kyle Williams 4.40 speed. https://youtu.be/H9i-9ykjWG4?si=uiaBv_fswy8kmpt2

I wouldn't like Walker either but people are saying Allen would love for his speed and rush ability. I have no idea. I'm good with Warren, Jeanty, Kenneth Grant, James Pierce, Nolen and even Matt Golden if Johnson thinks he's a valuable weapon. They are a few I don't want, otherwise I'm not complaining. I just want 4 good football players that elevate the team.

In not using what you showed me but the experts I trust. Your mock list has lots of people that are just football fans, no serious analyzers that takes hundreds of hours of research as to watching 3 games and becoming an expert. I agree if they took him at 10 that's not a reach. I'm not sure what you do for a living but you will understand this. You are a record executive and 1000 people come in saying they are great singers. The reality is you may have 15-25 that are good. I'm not counting someone like me that creates a website (Thailand Bear's fan) and puts out a mock draft because I think I am smart. The top predictors in the business never get it right let alone people that claim to be smart because they are a football fan. With all of this said, our greatest debate doesn't fall on where we list a players value, I don't think the bears are taking a OL at 10, is that what you believe? That's the key to what I'm saying.

CRAP! Just read that Miami star LT Terron Armstead just retired. More competition for LTs, and Miami might even have to trade up, maybe over us, or maybe to us, but then we arent getting Banks after Miami picks at 10 and SF picks at 11.

I dont see how a median of 13 means 15-25 was accurate? 15 - 25 means a general value around 20ish, 13 is much higher? If someone said to redo their small bathroom and they'd give you somewhere between $15k and $25k to do it, and when you finished they gave you $13k, you wouldnt think that was anything like what theyd told you? But we agree 10 isnt too early.

all great names. I love Landon Jackson. Of course i want to see an OT, but these are all players Id love to see on the Bears.

Yeah, not surprised at all! Brisker is great, I just hope he can keep playing.

I think Walker's pass rush skills are way overrated, he's more of a blitzer than edge defender. If we draft him at 10 I'll be incredibly disappointed and I think it will signal we've returned to the Phil Emery era style of drafting. There are so many good players in this draft at higher impact positions he can draft before grabbing an off-ball LB. Walker is not as fast or agile as past years smaller elite athletes like Nolan Smith who has had just 7.5 sacks in 2 seasons in Philly. That's with a lot of good talent around him. We're not even close to that kind of Dline talent. Fix the trenches.

That's a very good list although I have not scouted all of those players. I would add the other Iowa State WR. Higgins combined with DJ and Rome would be a coverage nightmare for any team. All 3 can line up at any position. If Steve Smith is right and he goes late 1st he's not even an option but he could be there early 2nd. Even then, I think there are higher needs we should address beforehand like RB, DT, DE.

That's a very realistic draft and would love that Draft. I would prefer Junkins to Henderson but that's my brain interfering. I have seen several people say Grant is Akim Hicks, I would love that pick at 10

I totally get it, I think when I originally said he was around pick 15-25 that was accurate. If the bears think he is a future LT 10 is not to early. Rating him as 7 th pick in the draft is a stretch so says Draft Buzz. When you latch on to a player, your history is always putting favorable posts out there to support that player. There is also a lot of favorable content because lots of people share your belief. In this draft there is a general consensus who the best players are Hunter, Carter, Graham, Walker, Jeanty, Warren and some think Ward is. Banks is in the next tier with 25 other players. I don't think he is bad and would have no problem if we took him. I just don't think the bears are at 10, if we drop down and he is there at 20(?) grab him. I don't think they are taking a OL until the second round. I don't pretend to be any kind of draft guru, I would be happy with 10 different players at 10. I trust Poles to take the right person. I have liked every one he has taken in the first round since he got here. It's later picks he has botched. I think 2 players not mentioned a lot that could end up picked at 10. Matt Golden WR ( weapon) , Or Jacob Walker/ LB . Johnson and Allen love speed. I'm not routing for this but could be a surprise on draft Day.