Ed Hochuli 3:16

See, that's your problem. You go by stats. If you would have watched one of Moore's games, you would have seen that he looks like just another safety out there, and blaming it on an injury and then having a terrible Senior Bowl and Senior Bowl practices doesn't help your cause.

I know that if we cut Tait, we'd gain around $7 million. I know that if we cut Ogunleye, we'd gain around $4 million. I know that if we cut Vasher, we'd lose around $7 million. But what if we traded Ogunleye or Vasher? Would we have to trade for another high priced guy, or what? Let's say we sent Vasher to Oakland for a 5th round pick- do we still have to pay his contract?

That's a terrible draft. William Moore will be lucky to be a 3rd round pick now after a bad and injury plagued season along with a terrible Senior Bowl week. Eric Wood had a pretty bad Senior Bowl week too, and Kropog is a LT so I doubt we take another one of those with Williams waiting.

I'm going to say that it's very probable we'll get a 3rd round compensation pick from Minnesota. I'm not sure if we'll get a 7th for Ayanbedejo or Gilmore but it's possible.

Well, the subtitle of the thread is "Is the price too high for the Bears?" or something along those lines. So yes, any price is too high for the Bears when talking about Warner because he wouldn't be good here because of the weather, our WR's, and our OL.

Asomugha would have no choice if he is franchised, so...?

Crappy way to end on a blown call? What call? Warner's hand was clearly behind his head when the ball was jarred loose.

Why would you even want him? He's never played well in cold weather and he's never even played on a team that is a cold weather city. And if he came here, he wouldn't have Fitzgerald, Boldin, and/or Breaston. Nobody on this current Bears team is even close to any of those 3 Cardinals' WR's.

Holy s**t- 2 consecutive classic Super Bowl's. Fitzgerald is, hands down, the best WR in the game. Holmes is the MVP. Thoughts?

I won $200 in a pool with some of my friends having 3 for PIT and 0 for ARZ at the end of the 1st...

Poor Richard Dent.

I'd still probably take Boldin. He's 3 years younger then Houshmanzadeh. I don't get your last statement- giving up 3 very good players for 1. Are you saying that if we kept our 3 picks and picked up Housh, that that would be the smart move because our 3 picks will be great? I think we all agree that our first 3 draft picks WILL NOT all be great and there will be atleast 1 crappy player.

I respectfully disagree. To get a guy who is proven like Boldin + Loadholt/Robinson/Tupou is greater then Maclin (an unproven guy who could be the product of a system where running routes doesn't matter who I truly believe will be a bust) + Loadholt/Robinson/Tupou + Atowge. Boldin immediately adds us 2 wins in what looks like an easy schedule next year (Rams, Browns, Seahawks, 49ers, Bengals, Lions x2) and 2 more wins gets us into the playoffs. He is not only a solid or a good WR, but a great one. He put up great stats with bad QB's without a solid other WR (before Fitzgerald), so he'll do that here, too. Plus, Atogwe will most likely get franchised or just get a flat out deal with St Louis.

Exactly. That's all I'm trying to say.

I'm not disagreeing with his facts. I'm disagreeing with the fact that he thinks that trading out of the first is a dumb idea. For this franchise, it is not. The facts are that Angelo doesn't exactly prove his worth in the first round. To pick up 2 more second rounders + a 3rd would be huge, IMO.

You can forget about Miami trading up for him- they took Henne in the 2nd last year and also have John Beck. As of now, Gak, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. At the time, yes obviously 1st rounders look like they have more talent then 2nd or 3rd round guys, but there's Pro Bowlers from every round.

You said that by trading down there is less talent. Not true. Then how do guys like Houshmanzadeh, Jared Allen, Brady, etc. all fall? Because guys were better? Yeah, probably at the time, but there are gems in the 2nd round every year. Hester was the 57th overall pick (I think) in 2006, and yet if teams could do the draft over, he'd easily be a top 15 pick. Forte was a 2nd rounder yet, like Hester, he'd be a top 15 pick if teams could re-do the 2007 draft. Nnamdi Asomugha was the 31st overall pick in the 2003 or 2004 draft. Now, he's easily the best cover CB in football...so all 30 guys picked ahead of him were/are better and have more talent? Not really. All I'm saying is that, in Angelo's case, to pick up 2 more second rounders and another third wouldn't necessarily be bad because he 1. picks better in later rounds and 2. there isn't a guy who looks like he'll be there at 18 that blows me away.

Warner, Fitzgerald, Ryan, Turner, and Flacco are all options, IMO, to be the cover boy.

I didn't say trade down in the 1st (McNown, Haynes, Grossman), I said trade down into the 2nd round. You're contradicting yourself. You're saying that the further we pick down, the less talent there is. Not true. Does that mean if San Diego would have traded down instead of taking Ryan Leaf, that would have been a bad choice because there was talent there that wasn't going to be there further down? No. I could definitley make a case that this year's 2nd round will be better then the 1st, but we'll obviously disagree.

Diluted pool? What guy who has a chance to be there at 18 do you look at and say "He will be a beast for us"? Sanchez, Orakpo, Brown, A. Smith, J. Smith, Jenkins, Monroe, and Raji will all be long gone before 18. Plus, this is a deep draft class so the talent in the 2nd round will be pretty good. To have 3 seconds and 3 thirds would be outstanding. In the 2nd, we could get a good RG (Urbik), a good RT (Tupou), and a possession WR who is the most ready WR IMO coming out this year (Robiskie). Not to mention JA picks better in the 2nd-4th round then he does in the 1st.

So Dallas gives up a 1st, a 3rd, a 6th, and a 7th for Roy Williams, and twig and AZ54 are saying that they'd take Boldin for a 2nd? There's no way in hell the Cardinals make that trade.

Muhammad has a great year, comes here, sucks, gets released, and has a 900 yard year. Maybe it's just no WR will strive here. Would trading what could potentially be our future (1st and a 3rd + his $10+ million extension) for Boldin be a waste? Thoughts?

Correct. Then again, for this mock, I wouldn't mind it. Slauson was impressive this season and in the E/W Shrine game. But yes, when I do them, it's what I think they will do, not what I want. If I had my choice, I'd go with your strategy- OL the first 2 rounds. But we won't do that, so whatever.

What I wouldn't mind doing is trading our 1st rounder (pick 18) and our 4th rounder (pick 115) to Miami for their 2 second rounders (pick 44, pick 56) and their 3rd rounder (pick 87). That's 964-955 on the draft value chart, in their favor.

I see where you're coming from Brad, but then what's the solution? Getting to the QB? Ogunleye is old but could have a break-out year being in his contract year, Alex will be Alex, and Anderson sucks. Signing Peppers will be nearly impossible as he'll go to a team with a 3-4, and Suggs will either stay in Baltimore or go play for the Jets with Rex Ryan. This year, there is no solution. There isn't a DE that you look at and say- "Man, if we get him in the draft, we'll be in good shape". Michael Johnson reminds me of Mark Anderson, and Brown and Orakpo will go at either 15 or earlier.