madlithuanian

Sounds good. Thanks again for your efforts!

balta, When are you thinking about doing the draft?

Fair enough! And scoreboard says....? Zero rings, zero national championships. I'll give Billicheck all the credit in the world...barring some slight jabs for getting caught cheating, but his record does speak volumes. His assitants have yet to prove a thing. In fact, the team really didn't miss a beat when the "gurus" left. To me, that means Big Bad Bill had more to to with it than anyone. The tree trunk is solid, the brances, not so much.

I think you don't give enough credence to the position. The public outcry to get Haynesworth was non-existant..compared to Cutler. We have good DT's...the team has a history of getting them. But QB is our Achilles heal... I stand by my statement that if we do not get Cutler, and we miss the playoffs the calls for JA's head will be at an all time high.

I'm with you there... I don' think Campbell is a difference maker. Good, but not great. We kind of have that already.

I'll take your word on what is fair game in GA. I've never been, other than in Atlanta for one day on business. I would imagine, most those trophies were from the past, when such activity was more accepted, but I could be wrong. There are store in Los Angeles that have similar...but it's noted there that these items were before a certain year,etc... I've fed lizards crickets and have enjoyed the hunting prowess they display...albeit small. It's not immoral because the creature feeding needs to eat. Dogs don't need to fight one another. I think I will just conclude that we simply disagree. You think you have a valid anaogy and I don't think you do.

Agreed...

No argument there....

I've heard a lot of Washington talk...

I see we think alike! Either great minds or we belond in the same asylum! Is there an "any of the above" or "whatever it takes" choice? But, I'd let 2 ones go...

I tend to agree...

Bolen I'm not sure about... But, I'm not really sure how the Billichick (sorry, I had Billicheat in there as old habits die hard!) coaching tree is doing. Weiss is failing, Crennel failed, Mangenius failed... What makes anyone think that McDaniels is the exception?

I hear ya! Welcome board by the way! Go Bears!

Agreed... Either we get him, or JA will probably be blasted. The only saving grace for him would be a playoff appearance.

Honestly, do you really think Angelo will be above getting ripped if he doesn't sign with the Bears? No one will truly know how much or how little was done to try to get him. And if the team under-performs again, I think the assumption would be more negative than positive. ...but yes, I do agree that if the deal appears reasonable as you mention in your 2nd paragraph, he definitley will get ripped.

I am glad! I just still do not see the correlation. Killing an animal does not inherently mean it is tortuous and maybe that's not even the correct term. Some of the dogs in question were being tortured, but just pitting them agasint one another is beyond repulsive. I have owned fish, have fished, have eaten fish, and have had to flush dead ones down the toilet... Most fish do eat other fish if given the chance barring the algae eaters. All animals think and feel pain. I even read on CNN recently where crabs can feel and remember pain. Regardless, I love me some crab legs... But I digress for the sake of humor. Again, I go back to intention. Hunting (and I include fishing in that), is basically a sporting version of eating. Instead of going to Dominick's, you do it yourself. The intention is not to see the animal writhe in pain and dance a gig when it is being brutally mauled or mauling. The end result is to enjoy the tasty morsel and get some odd pleasure of doing it yourself (I too am not a hunter and coulnd't enjoy that personally...). I seriously doubt your example would come to fruition, but in theory, I do not have a problem with it. If cities were truly over-run with stray dogs (much like dingos in Australia), and people had to get a dog shooting licence to shot the dogs, I would not have a problem. It would be sanctioned by the govt and popluation as a whole by default. There would obviously have to be some rules/regulations in how to properly shoot, when to, how to dispose, etc... Not just electrocuting or strangling loser dogs and burying them in one's backyard... Not everything illegal is immoral and not everything immoral is illegal. In the case of dog-fighting, it happens to be both immoral and illegal.

Interesting. Does anyone know what Orton's record is for the same? part of me expects more from Cutler. paart of the reason he appear to tempting is because one would think he has the arm to overcome games where the defense fails us and he needs to make plays...

This is the crux of the matter...and the Bears are woefully hideous at that on offense.

I think, if he does not get Cutler and we do not make the playoffs, I think the call for his head will be as loud as we've ever heard regarless of what actual or feigned attempt he does to get Cutler.

I'd tend to agree!

It does eerily seem like Deja Vu...

Can we add signing Holt to that mix too?

OK. Even in the sport part of it, (and I'm not talking about illegal big game hunters that kill lions, rhinos for pelts, horns,etc...) the intention is to kill hte animal quickly and bring it down. Then the carcass is used for food and clothing. The head of a deer may make it to the taxidermy, but nothing in the head is really used for food, etc. The hunting element is still a truly needed activity as I mentioned earlier. Since early settlers,etc irradicated wolves, mountain lions, bears,etc...there are few natural predators to curb populations of deer,etc... It's tantamount to fishing. yeah, for some people it's fun. Even some let the fish go once caught. But most kill n' grill. They could easily just go to the supermarket and buy a fliet of fish, but they enjoy the element of getting it themselves. Yes, they do enjoy that...and I can point to you numerous fish and game persons that can spell out why it is needed. However, it's not torturous by nature, unlike dog-fighting. I believe it's obvious to you that you think it's hypocritical. I'm not sure that many others share your thinking. Civilized society has deemed certain bahviors OK and others not. We all choose to eat meat (at least a vast majority), and cows, chickens, pigs,etc are all killed to satiate those wants. Yep, the animal is killed. However, it's been pretty much deemed that killing an animal for just about any other reason is uncalled for. Minks are no longer killed in the US, we don't bash seal heads in, etc...nor do we allow for death matches. I just still do not see your analogy. Just curious, what to you think should be done of dog-fighting? Should it be legal?

Thanks for organizing this balta!

You beat me to it! I'll be conferring with a close freind that is a huge SF fans for the pick...