madlithuanian

Dang. I wasn't happy with his performance last week, but it's too bad he had to go out like this. I agree that I think he's done. Steltz, your table is ready...

I agree with your there for sure! He's hoping Gus head-butts a wall again...

Fair enough on 2nd down. I go with the more sure thing...but I can see your point. I still do not think Turner is a good coordinator. I think he's mediocre. I don't deny the records set by Kramer. I simply say put them in perspective... 1. That was then, this is now. 2. We were giving up points on D, therefore needed to pass more, thus resulting in more yardage. This current Bears D is a bit different than the Wanny group. I buy facts. I'm just not buying your extrapolation. Again, you seem to miss the point on my comment regarding SB v one and out in the playoffs. Let me spell it out clearly. Scenario 1: Let's say you have access to the future results and know that the bears will lose the Super Bowl. Would you rather have that, or an early exit in the first round of the playoffs? I say yes. #1, coming in second is more painful. At least with a one and done, you can look towards some improvements. #2, historically, teams that lose the Super Bowl suck for a year if not far longer. The Bills and Pats defy that, but the laws of average are not good. Scenario #2: Without know the results of the Super Bowl, would you rather have the Bears go, or be bounced out in the 1st round? I think it's obvious. You hope they go and win. Thinking otherwise is ridiculous. If you do not know the outcome of the big game, you want them in it for sure. I hope that clears thing up for you on my comments. You keep assuming I hope they don't even get a chance to go to the Super Bowl. That is not correct. We're talking about a scenario which is impossible in reality, and that's knowing the actual outcome before it happens. So, the point is somewhat moot. You think I'm some idiot who would rather the Bears lose all their games if they couldn't win the Super Bowl? Again, if we go to Scenario #1...my preference is actually a fairly deep playoff run without getting to the big game and losing it. See Scenario 2 in case you're unsure on what I would think if the SB outcome was unknown.

Or even Culpeppey...or make a play for Garcia...

Ha! I guess we can give full credit to JA on letting BB go now officially!

Ha! Too true! I kind of look at like someone that stole a care becasue the key were left in the ignition. The Reps are the thief and the Dems left the keys in. Who's to blame? Really the thief. But, no idiot should be leaving their keys out. I prefer a different car owner. But right now, I just hope Obma at least puts the keys under the floormat...

Oh I agree about impeachment. They blatantly ignored the constitution numerous times. Regarding the Pat act, no matter what the Dems do, the Reps will spin it as weak. They may as well actually take a stand on something. It show more balls. They still are painted as terrorist sympathyzers as is. That's part of the problem, if you have no principles, how are you truly better? At what point do you sell your principles down the road in order to get elected? This is why I am not a fan of Obama. I just think, that right now, he is truly the significant lesser of 2 evils. But we're not at war. Congress didn't declare war. I'm not an expert, but I think they could have done something. They have strung things out...and if Obama doesn't get it, look at how worse off we'll be because of it.

I am serious. And, yes, the OC should have known it's more than a possibility. Especially when the other option is to run the ball as you've been doing successfully all game long. The moment Turner tries to get tricky, he usually gets burned. I do. I explained it. We were running well with Forte, we needed a measley yard. It should have been run. We should take shots, but not when the game is on the line. You go to what gives you the best chance to get the first. Time wasn't a factor at that point. I'm not sure what you're comlaining about now regarding the 3-1. Orton f'ed up. Turner got that one right. My argument is he botched 2nd and 4th. Maybe that's a bad set then with a rookie at a crucial part of the game... If Forte got he ball on 4-1 and didn't get it, oh well. At least that was our best possibility. Obviously unless he does something stupid like run backwards... I'm happy to go over the top whenever someone writes things that are silly. You keep mentioning all the pluses of the Kramer years, etc... I just don't buy it. Honestly, as good as the passing game was, it had to be since the D was atricious and we were playing from behind. This is a different animal. Again, you seem content with GOING...I prefer WINNING Super Bowls. If you look at my comment it clearly states that it is GIVEN that we will LOSE the SB, I would rather be bounced in round one than go on and lose the SB.

Rex's fumble is partially the OC's fault. One should assess the inefficiencies of one's player to determine the correct path. Short yardage, Jones is running well. Rex can sometimes mishandle balls or make an errant throw. You run Jones. That to me is a bad coaching decision. Hey azbearsfan, Orton ain't my buddy. I actually wish he were. Then I'd get good seats to the games. The 2nd and 1 play was not good. Again, look at your tools and use them wisely. Orton had been struggling all game with the long throw and Forte is running like a truck. And you throw deep? Again, run the truck. The 3-1 play is all on Orton's shoulders. Orton made a mistake. I hope he learns from it. Players do have to execute. But, coaches need to put them in the best situation to execute. Both elements failed us last Sunday. (And why is rookie Kellen in there on such a big play?) Feel free to memorialize the Kramer years all you want. I could care less about beating putrid old Bears' passing records. I'll take the Jimmy Mac years anyday which culminated in a Super Bowl WIN.

The Dems could have pulled the troops home...could have denied the Patriot Act...could have denied the wire tapping,etc... I think the Prez and his regime are far worse...but the Dem's could have made a horrid situation less horrid and did not. I'm still hoping Obama will win. Polls seem to say it's shifting again a little more towards Obama. I don't think he's the best, but he's the best valid option.

DO IT DETROIT! I'm foaming at the mouth thinking of the possibilities!

Didn't the OC call the 2nd and 1 and the 4th and 1 plays? Seems to me, runs by Forte, not McKie would be called for. You think he didn't mess up in the SB? What about another short yardage down, then Rex fumbles it away? You want to remember the Kramer years as great, be my guest! I'm trying to forget them! It wasn't one bad play. It was a few, and at the worst times to call them. Sorry, but I'm not sold on Turner in the least. Mediocre comes to mind. He's not Shoop, but he ain't Norv either.

My guess is that Orton stays as a solid #2. We hold onto Hanie and let him compete. And we draft someone...hopefully higher than 3rd. I can stomach another OL high, but in R2, we better get a QB! I swear I'm almost of the mindset we draft #1 QB every year until we bloody get it right. But, I know I'm just venting.

You are drinking Kool-aid...it's Rex flavored.

Can we bring Jimmy Mac out?

Usually that is the case, and usually the lesser of 2 evils, still being evil, isn't much more evil than the other. I think for the past 2 elections, it's been clearer. The Dems are pretty much wusses...they usually let the Reps walk all over them. Hillary may not have let it happen as easily. Obama's taking the high road. Remember, nice guys finish last.

I sure hope you're wrong... You could be jumping to conclusions... 1. Hester doesn't always score or have big returns. We're only 2 games into the season. 2. Injury does happen . It's happened to Hester before. It could be moot as he could take the field this weekend. 3. He's always tried to make something out of nothing...enough times to really outstanding results. Again, it is possible that he's lost it and we've wasted money. But I think it's pure speculation at this point. Let's let it play out a bit...

I wish I could agree... They do have a decent running attack and a good D. 2 things we struggle with...especially at the end of games. I think we can beat them, but I'm just worried Griese will do for TB what Chris Harris did for CAR... He knows a bit too much about us.

I agree, but the topic was Philly... ...and for the record, I'm really worried about TB. If it jumping ahead of ourselves wasn't allowed, it'd be a REALLY slow off-season!

I don't think the response was that Orton shouldn't go downfield ever... It's just let him stive with what he's good at and go deep every now and then to keep 'em honest.

Amen! We keep trying to fit square pegs in round holes...

I like Hanie...but if Orton proves to be just what we're seeing, we better damn well draft a QB high in the draft. We cannot hope & pray an udrafted QB will be the answer. Look at Green Bay...they had Rodgers yet still made plays for high level prospects. Wonder why they haven't missed a beat while we keep missing?

Given your stats, which are accurate, but also leave out important stats like turnover as BrianBear mentioned...the point is somewhat moot. Neither 2 look good enough to be legit QB's. Grossman has far more games in that mix. So until Kyle gets that same number...it's an unfiar comparison. Even with that. It's all about the intangibles when you're comparing such lowly stats... Which guy does what with what. Rex offers us the biggest chance to make a big play, yet also offers the biggest chance to make a big blunder. Kyle is just hte opposite. Grossman seem to have the physical ability but no brain. Orton seems to have the brain and little physical ability. Give me the brain given all else...

Giving him only 2 more games? That's ridiculous! Rex was a turnover monster last season before we pulled his butt out! Until Orton does the same, he deserves the same opportunity. Which means, he still has 4 games to royally F up. So far he has none. If Orton keeps doing what he did last week, overall I'm satisfied. Rex offers nothing more. It's just clear we don't have a long term QB. We need to draft or trade for one. If Orton flips the switch and starts playing well, I'll be pleasantly shocked. As of now, he appears to be a very good seat keeper for the next QB.

I'd love it, but I agree, I don't see it happening now. I actually could see Anderson possibly. A lot depends on how the Browns shake out though. Assuming we see more of the same, there's no way Cleveland let's Quinn go... Our window of opportunity for that has closed I beleive.