madlithuanian

Well, that's pretty good news all considered. Thanks for the update.

Thanks for the link! Great stuff! Just a quick peek and I just look at that 1983 draft in awe... 7 starters!

Keep in mind, I'm not considering whether he'll get a new contract, just accept what he has , etc...this is simply regarding if he shows up on the lawn.

Or, hopefully they can let Rex know in training camp that you are not allowed to throw the ball to the defender, it actually has to make it in the receivers' hands to be a completion.

Great find! It is intesting looking back in hindsight...

True enough...

No way I'm arguing against your cheerleader take? Is it time to ressurect my "Bring Back the Honey Bears" campaign?

All part of the "lucking into it"....

nfo, even though we're not seeing eye to eye on this...plese note that I did enjoy our discussion! Keep up the good work keeping me honest!

It is indeed. And let's not forget, he's just not a "guy" on a boat. He's a highly paid celebrity. I guess it's semantics in what your definition of "wrong" is. But I have repeatedly stressed what he did was "unwise". Does it really matterat this point? It is damage already done. We do seem to be going around in circles... I will cordially agree to just disagree.

There are many differences form those particular boating instances. If people are out drinking and having fun, is that not a party? Or is you definition a full on "Girl Gone Wild" scene? Heck, if it is, I want to start partying with you! Maybe my idea of a party isn't as extreme, but it's a party. Again, you're throwing my Cowboys arguement in for your own purposes and completely out of context. As I explained earlier...it was a generic example of a group of people "partying" (granted, to the nth degree) and trying to keep it on the DL. I am not promoting that in the least. I'm using it as an EXTREME example. You somehow think I meant it to be an exact parellel to the Benson case. I did not intend it to be so. I apologize if that mislead you. You mention how I mentioned giving "the impression of doing illegal things"...and that's exactly what we're talking about! It's the impression that something could be going on...in a boat, with lots of guys, gals, drinks, etc... If Benson were to be pulled over after dinner with his mom and harassed...I think we'd all think differently. Why was he pulled over? Was he swerving, did he resist questioning,etc? All those same questions would be asked, but I feel pretty confident, no one would question the scene before-hand...other than, did he drink too much wine at dinner? It's a completely different set of circumstances. It's perception. Sure, if Benson kep himself sober it shows legal responsibility. But not wisdom. A wise man does not do what he did. I'm not arguing legality...I'm arguing perception and common sense. Athletes go out all the time...and guess what...many of them get into boatloads of trouble! (All pun intended...) Maybe if it's any player other than Benson...this doesn't even transpire. Your second point is interesting! I have been on rides with some of the city's finest...and I have had different experiences... Smoke or no...just anything slightly out of the ordinary. In other words...with sticker (and it could be anything inferring some type of illegal activity...not just singling out the Dead), it seemed to me, that particular car got scrutinized. Usually with nothing happening, but any minor lane violation,etc would attract a pull over.

Yes, I think I'm being realistic. Maybe agasint the odds, so to speak, but realistic nonetheless. Don't take it wrong, but you are not using logic yourself. You're jumping to conlucsion that aren't in my arguement. There was no assumption ever that said a player cannot go to dinner. I simply said, if Benson were to go to dinner with his mom at a nice restaurant and have a glass a wine...nothing would come of it. Whereas, if he chose to go to a rowdy bar where everyone in his group was getting boistrous, regardless of what his mom and him were doing, odds are trouble would ensue of some sort. Neither situation is agasint the law nor inherently "wrong"...but one situation lends iself to more problems than the other. It's about making intelligent choices given your notoriety. I think every reasonable person figures that one cannot remove oneself fully from public. But one can make more conservative choices regarding his party time than what Benson did. If you go to a notorious party spot, have beers/drink around, lots of dudes, and chicks in bikini's around...regardless if you mom is there or not... Odds are you will somehow find some trouble. And, it was found...justified or not.

It really does make you wonder... But, there's something to be said about lucking into a really good QB as a low round selection. That makes up so much ground it's not even funny.

Good overall analysis... I basically am in agreement.

Ha! My freinds and I do the same! Every time Madden would mention Favre when Favre wasn't involved in the game, we had to do a shot! Some nights were pretty bad...

Now for fun subjects! I used to play "Cheers!" back in the day...everyone would choose a character from the show of the same name and then drink once you hear the name called out. For Norm's big hello by the whole bar...it would require a full beer slam. Only strong drinkers would take on the Norm role.

C'mon nfo...there is a difference between having a dinner with your mom at a restaurant and enjoying a glass of wine versus a party boat. It's alike a guy sporting the Greatful Dead sticker on his car...regardless if he's tokin' like Cheech & Chong or not, the cops are going to look at him before they look at the other car with no stickers.

LT2_3, DOn't get me wrong...it does appear the authorities stepped over the line, and they should be looked at for doing so. However, my overall point is that Benson and other similar athletes/celebs need to be aware of the realities of these fascits, and put themselves in situations that reduce such risk. Let someone else fight the law...

bear trap...sorry to hear of that incident. That really sounds like a bum deal... I think you and I are on the same page on this issue...

nfo, you are unfairly putting words in my mouth. I have never once said that any person or player doesn't have the right to do what he or she wants within the parameters of the law. I just said it's not wise to do so. You have the right to hit your elbow with a ball peen hammer. I recommend you don't. To answer you question, yes...he should have had a pool party instead and tried to eliminate picture taking. It's just a wiser move. It's not about what someone has the right to do...it's what the prudent thing to do is. If I'm his agent or confidant, I recommend exactly what I just said.

I hear ya... However, I kind of look at it like leaving your keys in the car and walking away. It's not right for the thief to take your car regardles... But you still shouldn't have put your property in that jeopardy by leaving the keys.

Good thoughts on Benson... I tend to think he lacks a filter. And heart...

They were the only team that got caught... Kind of like speeding. Everyone does not. Most tend not to flaunt it in front of the police. The Pats did, got cuaght, and now they are beeing tailed.

I know a ton of folks that feel the same way...