madlithuanian

Exactly! Orton finished last season on an upside...let him start!

Good for him! Keep it in the city!

Thanks for doing this! I just sent my list to you...let me know if you didn't get it.

I'd go with Quinn and a 2nd from this year and maybe a 3rd form the next. A first may be too much. Because I want Laurinaitis next draft...

Great points... I agree. What we've seen is a very gradual improvement over the past 20 years once it hit rock bottom AD (after Ditka). I'm not thrilled by the snail like pace we are improving, but at least it is improvement. I just generally get bummed that so many other francihses seem to get it, and then it's us, the laughing stock of the league. Even in our SB year, we were ridiculed (probably rightfully so) as a smoke and mirrors team. I just want to instill some type of solid arrangement within management, coaching and personnell that mimics the Steelers. Yeah, they don't have as many rings as the Pats in recent history...but they play hard D, run the ball well, and have a good passing game. Most importantly, they alwasys seem to be in the mix in the playoffs. We, on the other hand, alwasys seem to be on the outside looking in. The Lovie regime did quite well at this, and maybe this last year was the oddity...but I have my fears with our coaches and management.

I think you assessment is pretty spot on Connor... Let's hope the Bears brain trust thinks similarly...

Good read! THanks!

Wait! It's on! NIce! Worth the wait... I assume that's a Partagas Series P...

I'm not seeing it Grouchy...

I follow your train for thought...but I still think King's argument is valid.

Foolishness indeed. What is our greatest need over the past 3 years? OL? WR? RB? S? DL? LB? CB? TE? No! QB! It's been our biggest need for over 20 years! Ok, going into this particular draft, you could argeu OL or RB or WR...which wasn't what I was basing it on...I was referencing the King article talking about no QB's in the past 3 years. I'm glad you're happy with our QB's. You are in a vast minority of fans and pro football watchers... N s$%^ indeed. So, I don't get why you have a beef with my comments... OK, Griese let loose some of the pressure in drafting a QB...and as I've mentioned in other posts, we can rationalize every year we've not drafted a QB. But the fact of the matter is that we haven't. And as I and other have mentioned, even teams with QB's are still drafting them! There's probably a good reason for that since some of these teams have an actual according to hoyle passing game. Yet, we somehow should be thrilled that the Bears brain-trust knows what they're doing with QB's? To answer your question, no it wasn't a bad draft because we didn't draft a QB. But it certainly is suspect. Only time will tell if it was indeed a bad draft. I think some bad moves were made, which one glaring one was a lack of QB being picked, but that alone doesn't make it bad. Picking bum players will make it bad. And we won't know that for a at least a little while. Sorry, but my Kool-aid pitcher is dry...

Not picking one in 3 years is even stupider...

I dsilike when people use the cliched "getting panties in a bunch" comment...but to address your concerns more diplomatically, I don't believe anyone here is really arguing that any QB we could have drafted would be starting this year. Instead it's either been directly stated or intimated that whoever it was, was going to sit behind either Grossman or Orton for a year. But at least they will have been under the system for a year before being asked to start. (like Steve McNair, Carson Palmer...etc) While the QB class was weak, it doesn't mean you give up on it. It's not like our offensive talent evaluators have been all that accurate. If we had a better track record, I'd tend to believe them. OK, of your list of guys who won't get us to the Super Bowl, you sure Rex and Kyle can? I personally would have rather seen Josh Johnson give it a shot over seeing Rex fumble and throw picks yet again. I agree that Ryan, Brohm and Woodsen were the best propects...but we could have got Woodsen easily... And Brohm as well.

Great assessment chitownman!

I just disagree. We were needing the 1st 3 holes filled as you mentioned...but our biggest one wasn't! You may disagree with it, but to not know why the Bears are getting blasted for not taking a QB is foolishness. Every person that has a remote interest in pro ball knows the Bears have sucked at QB for eons. Yet, for the past 3 years we don't draft a QB. OK, you can argue this year, etc...but the bottom line is that it has not been addressed. Yet, all the while teams with generally successful passing games continue to draft QB's. Granted free agency isn't done, and something can transpire. But it all boils down to what people are seeing. And they are seeing a franchise flounder at QB no other in the history of the league, and not draft a QB. Getting blasted for that makes perfect sense to me.

OK. I can live with that.

you beat me to that!

No offense taken... The drool is nothing new for Chciago. Given the horrid parade of so-called QB's that have started for Chicago since Jim McMahon, the 2nd stringer is always looked at as a svior. However in Orton's case, he has found some succes in the past managing games and looked decent ending the season last year. That is where the "hope' srpings... The hate Rex gets is also easily understandable... He is inconsitent, turnover and injury prone, shows lack of mobility and pocket presence, and is also prone to very bad decision making. While starting off well, he has only regressed and has not seemed to learn enything from his mistakes. Make no mistake, I know fully well you support Rex. While I'm not quite sure why you are so positive about him, I give you your opinion. I'd love to hear a bit more on why you are so up on him...but I would imagine it's due to the handful of good games he's had, and his potential. I make no bones...I do not like him and think he is resonpnsible for holding the team hostage at the position for the last 2 years. I do not like that he took no personal responsibility for his poor play in the SB... But, he does seem like a decent hard working guy. But I want a winner. I'm not sure Orton is, but I'd like to see him get a shot at it instead of seeing the same thing happen over and over again.

Sounds like BS...

nfo, you are correct, that was what I was basically saying.

He did do better that game...but also, most guys coming off benches look great until they start. Looks at Rosenfels this year for example in Texas...

02 - Tampa had the great D, ended up having an amazing game by Jurevicius and Johnson... Not a great O by any means. Also the planets aligned that they drew Oakland and could use their knowledge agasint them 03, 04 - NE, not flashy, but good 05 - Bettis and Roethlisberger have proven to be offensive weaopns. Had an off game in the SB, but still one. (although some SEA fans still disagree...) 06 - Indy...'nuff said 07 - NYG - ranked 16th...but finished with a bang. I would be curious to know thei ranking for the last 1/2 of the season

Mongo, As much as I've disagreed with King over the years, not everything he says is bunk. Not drafting a QB for 3 staright years given our situation is just foolishness. It really gives credibility ot the conspiracy theory that Rex has nude pictures of Jerry and Lovie somewhere... But really, to address you Brady statement. Yeah, he had a bad game. But look at his carrer! It's good game after good game. Not flashes a good games, marred by endless turnovers and snal fumbles. And yes, he has had a better line, but still even when getting mauled by the Giants, he still exuded some pocket presence and actually led his team down for the win if it weren't for Eli's amazing backatcha. I think there is some hope with Kyle. He could turn into a great game manager. And later, he could turn into something more. I'd be more than OK with that. But I think Rex is done.

I just don't agree. You do need the good d that you say, but you also need a good O. The Pat's had good O's...and more importantly...O's that did not turn the ball over.

I think you might be right...but oddly enough I think is was Denny Green that really exposed it. Miami just perfected it and got the win without heroics from Urlacher or Hester. I couldn't agree more. Rex, simply put, is not an NFl calibur QB. He has too much downside compared to his upside. If you couple it with a stout D and off the charts return game, you'll end up winning more than youlose...but you won't win the big one. I just see Rex as a true deer in the headlights...