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Nice pick by JJ! Too bad EJax had to have a penalty. So far this game is just everything we've seen so far. All the good and all the bad. We are who we think we are? The good news is unlike other years where everything was broken, we can truly see where the changes need to be made, and what is working.

true, and we definitely need an upgrade at center, but if Fields was getting the ball out fast, it wouldnt be the same issue. Try counting seconds (correlated with how many steps his drop is) before Goff releases, then count those seconds for Fields and see if Fields is touched before you get to the point where Goff releases.

and that's coaching. you gotta have a response to something like that.

yes, and lets the defense have a chance to control the game.

I think when your QB has a bunch of designed runs, they call the hits a little less maybe?

Yeah he's great at that stuff, but he isn't pulling the trigger in rhythm. It always takes those heroics. And he is quite a hero. But why even have plays?

Bears blitz! Woo hoo.

David Montgomery is still a great back, and we dont miss him at all. EDIT: and he drops the easy pass lol

Ha! DJ Moore with the fake reverse to Fields. Doing a great job using JF as a running back on the scripted drive.

Better than asking Mooney to be the lead blocker on screens. sheesh.

I think Poles knew he was reaching when he drafted Jones and did it anyway because he had to to try to evaluate Fields. i dont think he thought it was a smart pick, I think he knew he was in an impossible situation and took a low percentage swing to try to get something. I think Poles knew it wasnt ideal, and was trapped. I dont think it's part of his normal way of thinking. Same with Claypool.

I dunno, I think it's just professional to support your QB. I would be very angry if DJ Moore had said anything different.

right, there are always exceptions, and maybe Williams is one of them, but 6' 0" aint good for a QB

I think he saw speed, and took a flyer that they could teach him. They needed a fast WR to open the defense and give Justin a deep target. We reached. We reached because we needed to evaluate Fields. We reached, and it didnt work out. Reaching is often a mistake. So I GET it. I know why he did it, but its obviously not the way to build a team in general. It was two years ago, and we had nothing to really build the team with yet. So I kind of give Poles a break for him and Claypool - same problem, and unfortunately same outcome too. But i dont think Poles would have taken a Velus Jones in the 3rd this past year, or in this coming draft. We not in that needing to reach situation anymore.

Jaden Daniels wins the Heisman.

Oh Im not saying there wont be busts, or future studs that arent highly ranked - just that even Ryan Leaf was high on peoples lists, so he was gonna go early. Im trying to think of the players that were highly ranked, and slid the most. Warren Sapp, Randy Moss, both for marijuana LOL Aaron Rodgers fell from #2 to 24th I think? But I guess in general, highly ranked players, future studs and busts alike, still get drafted high?

yeah, 6' 3" is one thing, but 6' 1" or even worse, 6' 0" is another. Course tell that to Doug Flutie LOL

Velus is a disaster. I saw some film from camp this year - someone was working with him on catching punts. They were telling him "when the punter is right footed, the ball fades to the right, when the punter is left footed, it fades to the left." And Velus was like repeating it, trying to memorize "right = right" and "left = left." Seriously. And this isn't his first year catching punts either. I think he might be a big dummy.

if you go to that site, and click all, you can see the intra-positional rankings, and get a guess at where QBs might go - of course ratings are subjective and different teams drafting will have different needs and ratings on players, but overall if you see a gug going int he top 10, they probably wont be there are pick 20 for example. It looks like 4 QBs in the top 10. https://www.nfldraftbuzz.com/positions/ALL/1/2024

watching film, and seeing what you're talking about. NFL style QB and offense, fast reads hell of an arm and huge. Makes good fast decisions. And to the idea that NC QBs dont translate to the pro game because of Trubisky, that was under Bill Dooley, since then, Mack Brown has been the coach, and the previous QB to Maye at NC was Sam Howell, who wasnt anywhere near as well rated as Maye, but his abilities have translated into being competent in the NFL, so there is something to be said for the NC offensive system and QB training. Too bad we wont see him in the college playoffs.

on the face of it Id make that deal all day long. It would depend on what my scouts were telling me about Williams though. But from where im standing right now (early thoughts), I would be happy with a few of the other QBs in the draft. Maybe even if Williams was also available, I might still prefer one or two. Again, early thoughts. But if I took that trade, I'd take MHJr at #2, my QB at pick #4 or #5 (if we had that) and call it having my cake and eating it too x 2. Id get MHJr, my QB AND a trade down of pick #1 to stock my draft. Id use that 2nd rounder to take best player available at OC, OT, FS or DL.

Interesting - thank you. When you say accurate, youre talking eye test with ball placement, and not completion percentage I assume? His completion percentage and QB rating, while both good numbers, are the lowest out of all six. not that there is anything wrong with a 63.8% completion percentage or a 151 QB rating! Also Im going off of stats that are a week old, the last time I compiled them.

Yeah Im not asking about Fields vs whoever, or even about Williams - those are all excellent topics - Im just asking if anyone can make the case for Maye - not over Justin, just over the other rookies, even not including Williams. Like, why is Maye better than Penix, McCarthy, Daniels or Nix? It doesnt even need to be someone who thinks that, I just want to include the arguments in my thinking so I know what to watch for in his film. Obviously i can just watch the film, but im trying to give each QB the benefit of the doubt when I look at them, and im not sure why Maye is (seemingly!) rated so much more highly than the others? So even if you dont buy into them, what are the talking points about why maye is better than those other four? All I can find is that he's 6' 5" and a bunch of thoughts about him before this season played out? I do see some commentators saying they like him better than Williams, but then they just pick apart Williams, and say nothing about why Maye would be the next choice over the others?

Yeah, I think it could be a case of media narratives from two months ago that just havent died yet. Maye is in the mix, but i dont see him as head and shoulders above the others, at least by the stats. I still need to watch a lot more film and analysis, and a lot of that hasnt even been created yet because for most of the world, it's still NFL midseason lol

I'm starting to look into the rookie QBs, and there are quite a few intriguing prospects. Williams and Maye seem to dominate the headlines, but I think there are other good options too. I get the hype around Williams, but can anyone make the case to me about why Drake Maye is a presumptive #2 on that list? Some even have have him as #1. Im not looking for that debate, because it's really a Williams debate, and Im not ready for that yet, i still dont know what to think about him. But other than being 6' 5", Maye lags behind a bunch of these QBs in stats, so why is he so highly regarded over the others? Is anyone here a Maye guy, and if so, please make the case?