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that includes everything written on this board. and yet, we are still gonna talk about it. and it doesnt take an expert to see that Flooser and Fields need to go. It's hardly a difficult decision. It couldnt be more obvious.

Fields is not a good NFL QB. Hes an amazing athlete, and people like him. But in the light of analysis, when you strip away the broken plays, and designed roll outs, when you get past the scripted plays, hes not good at all in the pocket. And the fact that he is SO much better in the scripted plays is a HUGE indictment on his football IQ.

not if they want a good QB I agree

nah we played along all year, wait and see, now the data is complete. dont tell us we cant say stuff because no one knows what Poles will do. Ill tell ya what, if poles brings Flus and Fields back, then Poles should be fired - hopefully before he signs those deals. Just tell Warren thats your plan and then pack your bags. And you know what? Poles is almost certainly smarter than that - unless he is blinded by loyalty. And thats been something Ive been concerned about. At some point you gotta decide if you are a fan of the players or the team. I'm a fan of the team. if the players are helping the team I love em. If not - NEXT.

because if you have a three year plan and the coach is terrible after 2 years, you dont need to give them the whole 3 years! Its not about whats fairest to Floooser, its about whats best for the team. And anyone who needs to see more to know of this, well it boggles my mind.

Flus has 17 more years to turn this around or Im gonna give him a stern talking to. Get outta here.

no shit. I mean from the goose.

well said.

Trade #1 down to #3, and take the QB there. Penix or Daniels and get a next years #1 in addition or a great player on a decent contract, WR or DL. According to the Hill chart, the #1 pick is worth 1000 points, and the #3 pick is worth half of that. Especially this year. So maybe 1 goes down to 3 for next years first AND a player. Then pick up what you need at #9, or trade that down for a lower first and a second. Grab a C with the 2nd rounder. And there is free agency coming too and Bears have like $80 Mil to spend. needs: QB, WR2, OC, OL, FS, DL

Poles doesnt even know whether Harbaugh is interested. He may know hes gonna move on from Flus, but he couldnt possibly know that hes keeping him even if he likes him. Because there are other options that need to be explored. What if Andy Reid gets overheard saying Clark Hunt is a jerk? And then he gets fired and wants to come here. Still gonna keep Flus? Of course not. Now Im not saying thats gonna happen, but as a GM, youve got to keep your options open because you never know. And thats certainly true when your coach isnt doing very well. So if they know hes gonna get fired right now, ok. But they cant possibly know theyre gonna keep him. Not to a certainty. So anyone saying otherwise doesnt have any actual information. They just have guesses. And guesses arent evidence.

I think Ive seen you see the light on moving on multiple times during the year and then fight it in yourself because you wanted to give them a chance. I feel like you kept your mind open, not because the product on the field demanded it, but because it sucks to give up on your team so early. It makes sense, and its not wrong because if Fields had been all world the last 4 games, we might be having a very different discussion. But no one goes from what weve seen of Fields thru week 10 lets say of this season, and then suddenly is all world. So for me, I saw this coming months ago. But thats no fun, and it makes people angry LOL But yeah, now that all the games are played, and full due diligence has been given to Fields. It's clear. This team deserves better at QB and coach(es).

One wonders if Warren might ask Poles what he thinks, and if Poles wants to stay loyal to Flus and Fields, finds himself out of a job. Or if that's what Warren thinks, he could just tell Poles to do that. But if Poles wants to keep them, I think that's a very dangerous position for him to be in. IF on the other hand Poles says he wants to move on from them, and Warren wants to keep one of the other, that's less clear to me.

HNY to you too

if you mean coaches and QB then sure. But we have a bunch of good players on rookie deals, and Moore, Sweat, Edwards, Kmet and Edmunds are all good pieces to build on. The cupboard isnt so bare at all. But we have holes at very important positions like QB and coaches.

well we do have a bunch of good young talent. I think we need some pieces, and we will get them this offseason, but with a new coach, and even just decent QBing, I think we are a playoff team next year. If we keep Flus and Fields or even one of them, then im not making any guarantees about anything. But get rid of those guys and then youll have a hard time calling me pessimistic after that LOL Then youll see Im actually an optimist and will have tons of patience for the new guys.

for sure, we just didnt have the goods to do it. The Packers outcoached us at every turn.

we are slotted at 9 now. Locked in to #1 and #9 officially now.

I was hoping this would be an oral Fieldsometer or maybe one of those laser Fieldsometers, but in the end (pun included) it turns out to be an anal Fieldsometer, and no one likes that.

well not with this coach and QB for sure.

amen. and i really think next season could be much better.

OK, so the data is all in. I tried to keep an open mind, and wait to be proven wrong. Fields has to go. Flus has to go. This is a joke. We got nothing but a few hits of hopium this year. It was always "Fields now has 5 weeks to prove his case." then 4 weeks then 3. He didnt change. He is who we thought he was. Wed better not crown his ass. But yeah, I wasnt negative. I was right.

right. even the coaches themselves know. in future job interviews they will say how difficult it was with Fields.

well a new coach and QB is a good start. I actually think the roster isnt as bad as all this has looked. We need OL help, another WR, a FS and more on the D line. All possible in a single offseason with the assets we have. Even this team as it is would have gone to the playoffs if, say, Love was our QB and LaFleur was our coach. Coach and QB aside, I think our roster is better overall than GBs.

it's incompetent.

If Fields could be the guy he is in the first scripted plays all game, hed be amazing. So he can only retain about 7 passing plays at high level and the rest is chaos? thats a problem. and its been consistent all season.