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why is this helpful. this is a sports talk board, and people are expressing opinions thats what its for! Just because people have questions doesnt mean they are wallowing in misery. Pundits can be wrong, and so can scouts and GMs. So its Ok for people to have questions or doubts isnt it?

I wept a tear of joy when you posted this!

I think a lot of these guys can be paired up with the position coaches they are gifts for, and probably put in a word for? Maybe that's why it looks so weird this year. Johnson - Loveland Randle-El - Burden Roushar - Trapilo, Newman Allen - Turner, Hyppolite Harris - Frazier Bienemy - Monangai

I think thats the right way to look at it. TE and WR might end up being core pieces though for a Ben Johnson offense. I imagine having only eaten simple home cooked food, if a chef came along, and i was thinking "he's gonna go get some fresh steaks" and instead he comes back with all kinds of things Ive never heard of like leeks and bay leaves. Im surprised. It's not what Im used to. It was outside the box for what i thought was important. But possibly Johnson knows something about offense that tells him Kmet is just not able to do what he needs to make it work. So the proof will be in the meal. Maybe it will be delicious and have flavors I've never even thought of before. Or maybe it's a smartest guy problem. We will see it on the field. But its possible Johnson wanted all those names we missed on, and Poles got played trying to wait for them, or trading back just a little too much.

DaWhizzard! Nice job!

Interesting take. Good thinking.

it does feel suspect. this year will show us on the field, and then we will know more. But Im not saying I know its all OK, just giving them the benefit of the doubt until I see it on the field.

When we switched to a 3-4 we knew we needed a different kind of NT. So maybe when we switched to Ben Johnson we needed a different kind of TE

I really did feel like that.

On the surface, yes. We all had conventional expectations for this draft, and it all went another way. I feel that Johnson is a very different kind of coach than we've had here, and we will be a very different kind of offense than we've ever had here. That makes all these picks feel strange. Maybe strange is good. Maybe this is what it feels like to be a team with a real offense. I dunno. Im ready to learn a new way of seeing things. It could be that, or it could be just bad picks. It definitely has felt like weve been 1, 2 or 3 picks too late at multiple stages of this draft. We will see it on the field. This could be very good, very bad, or mediocre. Im hoping Johnson knows what hes doing. But I don't put this draft on Poles as much as Johnson. It is definitely smartest guy int he room syndrome. But maybe Johnson IS the smartest guy. This season will be interesting for sure.

Certainly over the past decades, this has been correct for our Bears. Hopefully with a real coach and staff, this changes. It's not the building that's cursed, it's just been previously inhabited by incompetents. There is reason to hope that this will be different. But you left room for that in your comment. You said prove it for a couple years. That's fair, because all the flowery words mean nothing, until you see it on the field.

Seems like when the Giants took Skatebo, then we wanted to trade back.

I guess, but if you really like Kiran, why spend a 2nd rounder on an OT? Maybe Kiran is the swing, and now Tapilo is the most likely starter?

They drafted an OT in the 2nd round, only the 56th player taken. Why would they use a 2nd on the position when they used a 3rd last year unless they thought they needed more competition (i.e. an upgrade) at that position? 2nd round is pretty high priority. Also, Banks might have been the pick if he was still on the board. We cant know that?

It's SO true. No one knows anything, so you may as well watch tape and just go with what you see. It's not that they're stupid. I think it's that they take in too MUCH information, and try to fit it all in - rumors, narratives. For example, Campbell's arms are too short. And the guy goes 4th overall. And we all know a lot of these guys will bust too. So for example, I predict Membou wont be great. He may be serviceable for a while, but I think Banks will have the better career. Obviously it's gonna take a few years to see. But this is my feeling based off of tape. I dont know their 40 times. I look at that for skill players sure, but not OL etc. But what we CAN say now, is just because so and so said something doesn't mean anything. Teams value players very differently from each other anyway so even if a pundit is "right" in terms of seeing the world the way the Bears do, they may have no ability to see the world the way the Saints do. And i think that all means that if someone watches some tape, their opinion isnt stupid or wrong just because some pundit sees things differently

but you yourself were drawing lines to players based on the 30 visits!

right. so those that read the tea leaves too hard arent necessarily looking at any information at all. I often feel like the pundits are wrong not because they dont have enough information, but because they have too much. It's just how a guy plays on tape, what his upside is, and if his character is good.

kudos! hes gonna be good for us too. who can a defense cover now?!

yup I just realized and edited my post above. oops! LOL

well for one PFF is random, but also hes not great against the run, so maybe that dinged him too. I dunno. We pick again soon too. HB for sure. EDIT - oops next pick is round 4.

It's Shemar Turner. DT Good pass rush, but not great vs the run - a 3rd down DT

Bech is a stud. We dont need him, especially after Burden. But hes a good player

Johnson got Loveland Randle-El got Burden Roushar got Trapillo now Bienemy gets a RB and the defense needs something...

Green to the Ravens. Wow. Green and Starks. Ravens really know defense.

apparently Trapillo has "LT traits" but might need some time to develop