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this is true if Fields doesnt ball out. But we arent trying to protect ourselves against that scenario. The idea is if you think hes the man you take the 5th year option and then extend him before or during year 5. If you think he isnt the man, you trade him now. If you want to wait and see and he turns out to be: 1) Bad - then no problem not taking the 5th year option 2) middle - then who wants to keep him? 3) great - then you missed the chance to lock him up

hes already played his 5th season tho? He is a free agent now.

no FG attempt?!! wtf

Nice 2 min drill. All comes from what Roschon was able to do.

link? Ive never heard of ANY money that is different if you trade than if you cut??

1) yes, if you give him the 5th year option, thats the all in on Fields option. Didnt really need Daniels then, but cool. 2) if you take the 5th year option, but then trade him, you pay $25 Mil on the 2025 cap, right when your current new roster players are coming up to be re-signed. This isnt a great option 3) if you dont sign him, he wont play under the franchise tag. he will hold out and you lose him anyway. So this is what Ive been saying. You can do option #1 and go all in on Fields, or you can do #3 and miss the trade value. I dont think #2 is a good choice for the reason you say, if hes good why trade him, if hes not why pay $25M? This is all basically what Im saying. You gotta decide if youre all in or not on Fields by May.

Look at Tua. Dolphins exercized his 5th year option (2024) this past May. His 2024 dead cap number is the full $23 Million. That means if you trade him or cut him, the money still counts against Miami's cap. So what youre saying is not correct. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/miami-dolphins/tua-tagovailoa-47598/

I think his toe touched in bounds first? I agree about the hold.

oops a third almost interception from Fields.

that TD pass in the back of the end zone looks just like "The Catch" from Montana to Clark. "Sprint Right Option"

I was thinking the same thing.

Bears defense is playing tough.

yes, he is the best at that. Ive said it all along. If he could also be a pocket passer, then hed be unstoppable. But without also being able to throw in rhythm, the rest isnt enough to win a Super Bowl. The question is will Fields develop that primary skill.

so to be clear, youre saying take a QB in the top half of the first round, keep Fields for 2024 and dont extend him? It does leave doors open, but then why would Fields resign with us after 2024 when we didnt believe in him? You could over pay for him to get him, but that makes your cap hell even worse going forward that a regular second contract. And again, there is nothing that says Fields has to take it either. I think that youve successfully mitigated the risk with this scenario if fields isnt the guy, but then you havent set yourself up well for the scenario where Fields works out? That's why I'm saying the cleanest thing is to firmly decide yes or no on him after this season. And that's what the May deadline is meant to force.

yup - no one is better on broken plays than Fields. nice TD to Kmet.

come on Kmet, youre not even the point of attack on that one.

thank God the choice isnt Fields or Flacco LOL And if it was, Id take Fields all day.

I agree. If we have a top 10 pick, Ive been saying trade down the #1 and pick your QB with the second top 10 pick is a possible scenario. So youre saying take the rookie this year, and have him sit behind Fields for 2 guaranteed years. I think it causes friction, but that IS a viable scenario, as long as you get a first round QB this year. One issue though is that if Fields is the man after that, you still have to overpay to keep him after 2024 then because hes still a free agent and you didnt believe in him and extend him. And if you did extend him, then hes still a free agent after 2025. You can do that, for sure.

Gabriel is wrong. "the 2020 collective bargaining agreement allows for teams to exercise a fifth-year option for players drafted in the first round as an addition to the standard four-year rookie contract. Upon being exercised, the fifth-year option is fully guaranteed, and any base salary in the player's fourth year that was not fully guaranteed will become so." https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/36402907/fifth-year-option-tracker-nfl-players-2020-first-round

Fields almost threw another pick there.

yeah but 36 fumbles in his career - pretty much one a game. I assume youre not saying that Fields knowingly fumbles in ways that are recovered by our team? isnt it just luck that more havent been turnovers? And I dont want Flacco either!

lol

Fields fumbles again. Luckily we recovered.

can you cite an example where its worked before? They instituted this 5th year option thing as a standard part of the rookie contract specifically to counteract this move.

so youre saying draft a QB with a top pick this year to sit behind Fields for two years? Or are you saying draft a QB in the future - and if so, unless you have a top pick, youre either trading three years worth of #1 picks to move up for that rookie, or youre talking about taking a rookie later in that draft?