BearFan PHX

I got you, if you dont like those guys that changes everything of course. I still need to know more about them. I have a feeling Im gonna want Daniels or Penix, but it could all change after I know more than just stats and measureables, and actually watch some film. I also like your point about not getting cute. It's just if you have pick 5, you can kinda get cute. But as we fall, youre right. I had a dream of MHJr and new QB. Or one of those ridiculous trade down scenarios and still getting the right QB. But maybe youre right. If they love Maye or whoever, just take him.

the difference between 7 and 15 is that at 7 Daniels and Penix are still there, and by 15 they are both gone. Thats a huge difference because it ties up your top pick for QB, and you lose all these cinderella scenarios of trading the #1 (or 2) pick for a haul. It's a huge difference to our roster. https://www.nfldraftbuzz.com/positions/ALL/1/2024

amen

thanks. good stuff.

I understand that point of view. Im sure you understand mine too. I was hoping we could get a QB with that second pick so we'd have that #1 pick to play with. To me, that's more valuable to the long term success of this team than this win, but again, i understand your point of view too. Either way we are both happy that Carolina is getting steps closer to having the #1 overall. I think that if there is a new coaching staff next year, the new culture will be built then. But i also understand how much people dont like hearing about rooting against their team. I really hope we are never here again. Then again, it's not like the title of this thread from weeks ago isnt 'Tankathon" lol so someone musta thought it! Anyway, I'm looking forward to resolution at QB and coach and starting next year with everyone aligned on this board with optimism and hoping to win each game in front of us. And if it is a new QB, with patience for them to have growing pains too. I'm not the negative person you might think I am. I just dont believe in justin or Eberflus anymore. I still love the team, and i still think we have a bright future next year.

yeah, i havent watched a lot of film, but I think Jackson, Mahomes and Hurts are all able to make reads on time from the pocket in addition to their other abilities.

oh in some ways it's gotta be both, and if I had an insider's view, I wouldnt be surprised if there was a lot of blame that Getsy deserves - especially on 3rd and 4th and short - it's been ridiculous at times this year. But Ive also wondered, if you had a QB that wouldnt pull the trigger, might you not call more rollouts and screens that have preprogrammed throws rather than reads to try to get the ball out of the QBs hands? But youre right, they probably know a lot more at Halas Hall than my guesses here. And my guess is that theres blame to go around.

agree

I think Moore was back, but he was definitely hobbled.

he had some amazing plays outside the pocket, but a bunch of read plays were late. same as always: Amazing, lacking and head scratching.

yes. for nothing.

and add Daniels and possible Penix to that list?

yeah, no matter what else is said about the QB or whatever, there have been a ton of short yardage calls this year that just absolutely boggle the mind. And those things are 100% on the coaching.

unless you think other GMs are suckers lol But I think Fields is worth a 3rd, possibly becoming a 2nd with performance or snap count clauses?

yup. And he is 6' 1" - If it wasnt for the injuries, Id be squawking a lot about Penix. Daniels has a lot going for him. And you dont need a #1 pick for those guys, but did todays win put another QB on this list out of our reach with that second pick? And take away our chance to trade out of #1 for a big haul?

I agree. If this was supposed to be an audition to show that Fields can execute the offense as intended, it didnt work. It was another example of how good Fields is at everything else. He really is. But it wont beat good teams in the playoffs.

true that. I also think it has to do with footwork issues.

exactly. I meant I want to win meaningful games, not these. Or if we were gonna win i wanted to do it in a way that showed growth at the things weve been poor at. And I was just makin' a pun on "draft position" - I agree with you.

Good timing pass to Moore.

we arent under center near enough. But why is that?

3rd down was Man under. Good. Still a form of cover 2 but good man coverage at the boundary underneath.

That's Eberflus Cover 2 think.

I would love to hear Getsy speak freely. I wonder what hes telling Poles and Eberflus. I have no problem believing that Getsy is blowing it, but I wonder what the other side of the argument from him is.

now, do we play defense, or get into a giant prevent and give another one away? I KNOW the players can play on defense, why call plays scared?

That 8 yarder to Moore is what Im looking for - good throw in rhythm.