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exactly!!

just like Velus earlier in the year.

exactly. we have the heroics, but we dont have the simple mechanisms of regular football.

Well it was the moment that hope turned into dust. I think the answer has really been defined already weeks ago, but it wasnt mathematically over yet. This ended it for sure. So from that point of view this was it, but i think from a dispassionate non-fan point of view, any GM should have already known this? Either way, after this youre right, we are clearly over that threshold now.

yeah, I think the dominoes are starting fall and what Ive been talking about this whole time is starting to get clearer. I think I got a bunch of flak for being early on the curve, but youre right about this. And to be fair, I have seen you with me on this Adam all season long too. Youve politely held the door open for miracles, which is optimistic, fan-ly and considerate of you, but it's not like i have been the only one saying it. Chile too. And a couple of others. I've just been the only one beating the drum about it - and I get that it has been annoying. But give it a couple months and I think more will come around to this. It kinda had to be.

I saw em. they are insane! You end up with like half the 2024 first rounders hahahaha If that happened, they would talk about it every draft day for the next 100 years! I dont think it's possible in reality, but Ive never seen drafts like that in any year of simulations. They are outrageous! But they are fun as hell. Do you have "no JF" versions?

Mooney is better than a lot of 2nd string WRs in the league. Youre right hes lost a step too. Im just saying, there are some players who are winners. it transcends their physical abilities. For example, Michael Jordan was a great basketball player. We have stats on him as a shooter etc over his career. We know exactly how good he was. That's his baseline. But when it was a final shot to win the game, his numbers go UP. he is better than himself when it matters. That's a winner. They find crazy ways if necessary when it matters most. I promise you Chris Carter would have caught that. Deion Sanders would have caught it. DJ Moore would have caught it. Velus Jones didnt catch it earlier this year. Mooney is just a regular player.

youre right. its not easy. its not what you train for or draw up in practice. its totally random and chaotic. but it is part of that invisible thing about being a winner. the great ones all find a way to snag that ball 10/10 times.

I like your list a lot. I dont think MHJr is gonna make it past Arizona though. I dont think Penix is gonna make it to the 2nd round either. But if you find a way to take Daniels or Penix, you can keep fooling around with Fields next year. I still think he's not gonna be our starter in 2026 or win a Super Bowl before that, but if we get one of those Qbs, I wont complain about it. I also think with the #1 pick the options are to take MHJr outright, or trade out of it. If you trade out, you can get some combination of a current player in trade, future #1 picks, and one of the other high ranked rookie WRs, OTs or Edge. We also need OC and FS, whether later than round 1 in the draft, or in free agency. And I hate to say it, but we might need to look for an OG too. Jenkins is possibly hurt again, and Davis has been inconsistent. Sometimes great, sometimes not. So we need: QB, WR2, OC/FS, FS/OC, EDGE2, TE2, OG2 That's not an unreasonable list for a team in our draft and salary cap position. I think we will be stocked and dangerous next year, and only QB development (no matter who it is) sets a ceiling on us.

Exactly. Poles has already replaced him this past draft! He saw all of this before. Remember when people were saying Mooney would be Fields' #1? Sheesh.

now that the playoff window is mathematically closed, I hope people can see the truth of this. We are so used to terrible here in Chicago that just OK looks too good to us. I want great and dominant. You know who's killing it? Poles. Poles is stacking this roster. Poles is the reason the defense looks so good, not Eberflus. And you dont sacrifice having a HC just so that you can keep your DC as HC when hes not even innovating anyway. These defenses arent tricky, the players are just executing. And boy are they looking good.

after all the physical measurements etc, there are some players who are just winners. If it takes catching the ball on the top of your helmet in the Super Bowl to win, you find a way. The BEars have been beaten by GB QB last minute winner plays so many times - we know what it looks like. Mooney is not a winner.

yes, the writing has been on the wall for a while.

Mooney is not a hero. He had that in his hands. Mooney and Velus Jones need to open a Dry Cleaners.

ok fair enough. I still think since Fields is late in his timing, he should eliminate it.

well that extra first rounder doesnt always end up the #1 pick?

Id love to see Santos make a FG longer than the ones they wouldnt let him try earlier here

great play by scott! amazing

so on that high pass to Scott, I hate to say it, but Fields took too long to find him. He was open for a while, and Fields could have pulled the trigger instead of rolling out and throwing without his base under him. And of course thats what makes the ball sail.

Fields gets 30 seconds and no timeouts. its not a "fair" test, but it is what it is.

yeah and he isnt a top tier QB either. Fields isnt the only one that isnt a top 5 QB I agree. Fields' main weakness is getting the ball out faster. He is doing much better at it the past two weeks. I want to see him eliminate those wasted moments and be great. I dont understand making excuses for him - dont we all want him to be great? that means improvement. We can disagree on whether he will achieve that, and disagree on whether to bet big on it, but it's what we all want right? So wouldnt we all want him to stop patting the ball?

field goal range.

ha you beat me to it lol

those two long field goal attempts we didnt take look bad now. If we'd hit one of them wed have the lead. I dont like Eberflus as a head coach.

they are challenging our ability to get the ball out fast. Thats Fields, but its also the routes and receivers getting open etc.