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yeah in the stats its gonna look like Fields did a lot of good things. But with the exception of the scripted first drive, it's all smoke and mirrors. So I think that the scripted first drive has been good for us a lot this season. Is it possible that Fields takes extra time to work on those plays so he can read them faster? I think maybe that's his problem, he isn't processing enough?

Oh come ON another bubble screen?! Really? They were showing blitz, we were in trips right and were seeing three DBs across from them each isolated with rubs and slants a plenty. Pathetic. And you know there has to be a reason. No one just forgets most of the passing offense exists in their playbook. Getsy is doing it on purpose. And there is a reason.

hahahaha UGH

He holds the ball SO long.

Ok so that was a pass play with intermediate routes, and Fields held on to the ball too long, didnt get it out fast and had to roll out and throw it away.

it's so true. I dont mean to harp on it but they have to really not trust Fields to make reads. Defense playing tough though - that's good to see.

Once again: Eddie Jackson sucks. QB discussions aside, our first two needs are OC and FS

Right they do anything but ask Fields to stand in the pocket and make a read.

exactly! you throw a slant to the hole the blitzing LBer left - thats high school football stuff. It requires standing int he pocket and making a read. The Bubble screen is a readless throw, I am surprised Fields threw that ball into the DEs chest. But he wasnt reading, its a scripted throw. The west coast blitz beating stuff youre talking about (and I agree) takes a QB and a WR (or TE to Grizz's point) to read it together. Maybe Getsy it hiding a weakness? Or maybe he's just an idiot. Or could be both LOL

Gary Crowton, John Shoop, Msrk Trestman, Matt Nagy, Luke Getsy - hey bubble screens all the time!

looks like it

The Vikings are loading the front like Detroit did, challenging Fields to beat them with quick throws from the pocket. I suspect every team will do this to us for the rest of the year to some degree. Oh JJ! You almost had number 2! Start to expect them on every snap dude, thats the path to greatness. Dont be surprised. Envision that you KNOW one is coming on every snap. I really think we are going to be much better next year, this roster is better than our record.

ouch, running the QB as a matter of practice is gonna get him killed. I guess the way i see it is you have a generic cap allotment in mind for a team with a rookie QB deal and a team with a franchise QB deal - its the ideal amount of cap space you would spend on each position, and it includes a set of skills and productivity the big money players have to have. It's almost for sure that theres a budget for a great CB in that generic allotment for Poles or anyone. So you ask yourself whether you think a player is at the level you need to commit to them as that guy. And you always have options; sign the guy youve got, trade for someone, get a free agent, draft someone. So you look at how each player fits the role you envision spending your bank for. If the guy's got it, you sign him, if not, you dont no matter how much he is your best short term options or loyalty or anything. So from that point of view, JJ is making his case, and that's great to see.

JJ looks like he's ready to be a player. I think he's getting a taste of what it takes to play at a high level int he league, and he's pushing for it now - good to see. That could really help him get that deal.

Fields had Mooney for the first down and hung him out to dry and almost got him killed.

Great pick by JJ! Im sure the dropped int last week has been on his mind.

some good some bad. 2 sacks, but Fields stood in the heat on that blitz, stayed in the pocket and found Kmet - great job. So far hes played calmer than weve seen. Thats also excellent.

Fields looked really good on that drive, but we always look good with the scripted plays. Let's see if it continues. I had predicted 4 sacks and an INT. But if Fields played like that all the time, I'd be on his side. We're past the script now, so let's see.

Wah. lol

That second throw to Moore was what Im looking for. Fields took his drop and threw the ball in rhythm. Good. Moore was wide open too so that made it easy - but that's the rhythm.

I agree with all of this. Fields has his place in the NFL, but he isn't a franchise QB that will win a Super Bowl. he's not worth what we'd have to pay him, and aiming at a 9-8 season as your goal is ridiculous. People see his big plays and that he IS improving, and I agree, but I think the ceiling on this guy falls short of being a Super Bowl winner. And that's what this is all about. I feel the same way about Eberflus' defense. If we increase the talent a bit more and really play hard, that scheme can elevate to 10th best or something. And as youre going from 30 to 28 to 24, you feel the upward trend. But you gotta look at it and ask what the ceiling is. We can make steady progress to 10th best and then stall out there? Again, not a plan. So I fully validate Fields' freakish athleticism, and the steady increase in his play (nowhere to go but up!) but he still isnt winning games, and the ceiling isnt worth the growing pains, the cap space and perhaps worst of all - the opportunity to draft one of these other guys and develop them. And I guess at some point everyone has to decide whether they are a fan of the player or the team. Clearly DABEARS, from what youve written here, its the team for you. Me too.

It's a great year for QBs, and they all come cheap for 4 to 5 years.

agree with ya both, and adam too. It's not like this is July 2023 - we've seen what we've seen now. The only way we can even make any kind of offense with Fields is having a ton of designed QB runs. It's a joke.

Dude, youre wrong. 16 points! And they LOST. I'm done fighting with you - youre ignorant. Youre a homer in love with everyone on the roster, and as such youre a loser too. In the sense that your guy cant win any games. Even JT Osullivan pointed out that on the scramble when Fields hit Moore, he missed his first read, Mooney for a big gain. What they are saying is that hes making plays when the plays break down. I see that too - I give Fields his props for that. Now I ask - who the hell wants an offense BASED on what the player does after the play breaks? What the hell is that?! I dont care what your experts think either. I have eyes, and I see what I see. And I'll bet you the people who have to live and die by the decision, Poles and Warren see it too. The guy has won like 3 games in two years. What the hell are you even talking about? He's TERRIBLE. He makes great plays here and there, but he is not a QB who moves the chains running the plays as designed, making reads. Hes just an amazing freak athlete that has never learned how to be a disciplined passer. When they trade Fields this offseason, then all your "experts" etc will have been proven wrong. I dont mind that youre wrong though, people can disagree with respect about sports - its just what an asshole you are about it. I've been sitting back with the personal stuff while you take little impudent shots like a child. So like I said, Im not doing that anymore. I am sorry if I'm hurting your feelings criticizing your girlfriends. Get a helmet and deal with it ya big baby.

No way. I am talking about calmly staying in the pocket and making fast accurate reads with anticipation. 3 or 5 step drop and release. Against Detroit, he was running around and creating. Receivers werent getting the ball out of their breaks, they were getting it later, perhaps finding a dead spot in a zone and waiting for Justin to find them. And we scored a whopping 16 points. Come on. Once Fields starts scrambling, that's called a "broken play" - Fields is extremely good at broken plays, and that is not something you purposefully base an offense on. Not if you want to beat the good teams. Could Fields continue to improve at that and eventually lead us to a 9-8 record and an early playoff exit some season? Certainly. That is his ceiling. That's when everything goes well and you surround him with talent. Is that our goal? I want a QB.