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This is what I think too. Wright will be fine, but I hope he will be dominant.

there are lots of things you can do to help a bad LT, but it limits your playbook and therefore Calebs growth as well. If the LT is a problem, its not OK, its a big problem. And this is why I was saying we needed to draft a LT early.

yeah, we are a good Edge away from having a real D line. If Booker really emerges, we should be dangerous on D.

thats good of the coaches, and bad that a player hasnt forced them to name him.

I dunno. Giving Trapilo reps at RT is good for a baseline, so you know how he'd be if you need it. It also should motivate him. Trapilo's college film looks "boring" it's consistent and never looks dramatic. He kind of just does his job without fanfare. Maybe the Bears want to see a meaner streak in him. Nothings decided yet, but someone needs to step up and take the job. I hate the idea that someone just gets chosen without having served notice.

I hear Ersery is killing it too. Anyone hear anything about how Banks is doing?

this sounds all correct. Its so late in the year for not knowing who your LT is.

Ive wondered this since the day we drafted Trapilo. Im not a fan of moving people around, but i can also understand this move - but better to have done it in June, so i think its not likely? Probably more a matter of seeing how Trapilo would be as a swing tackle?

I spend $10 a month to get their content. Hes Ok this time of year, but before the draft they break down HOURS of tape on players and the commentary is amazing. They usually do entire halves of games, often 5 or 6 games, so you can see the players in context, not just highlights. Also, once the season starts they do amazing tape analysis on the games too, with a special look at the OL, since his Dad was a college OL coach, and two of his uncles were coaches in the NFL and at least one was a head coach. Shayne Marshaw is also great with the roster move stuff. There is no doubt Phil is abrasive, and spends too much time on himself, and how the show battles people, but when there is analysis, it is top notch!

another good theory. And you're right, we just have to trust him. Then we'll see it on the field, if after a few games its looks terrible, then I'll deal with that then. Right now I have faith we will get there, I just dont know how many weeks itll take.

I wonder if because they are "feeding the offense with a firehose" if the coaches thought it would look too disjointed last week and the press would start to build too much pressure? I do expect that with this roster and staff that we will get there, but I guess training camp is gonna bleed into the regular season. And we will need to have some patience. I want him to be an A too, but I guess it could take time. Id like to see 17 to 20 points coming out of the gate here in general, on our way to 30 when we are in flow. But that could be the second half of the season.

for sure - we havent seen or heard much about the interior, I wanna see what all that $ looks like on the field! And the LT battle continues to be an enigma, with sudden love for Theo Benedet, and Trapilo taking snaps at RT. Who knows what any of that means? Is it serious? Is it motivational? I have no idea how to read this.

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Yup I heard that too! I hope whoever wins this job isnt going to be an ongoing problem for Caleb. Hopefully they all get stronger and make it a hard decision rather than a win by default. absolutely!

I understand your experience, and knowledge. I respect it. I am sure there are many things about OL play that i dont know and you do, and there are probably many other things of whatever subjects as well. I am still going to have my opinions about every part of this team. If im wrong, so be it. But you cant say that if you and I disagree about an OL issue that I am insulting you. I dont mean any insult to you at all, but I am still going to have my opinions. And maybe we will disagree. If you want to keep asserting the "Argument of authority" (meaning youre an expert and Im not so I must be wrong) I do think you told me I was going to like the Jones footage, and I didnt, and neither did Roushar, so we can all be right or wrong about anything. If we disagree about those two reps where I think he got walked back a little too far, and you think it was still in his legitimate area of absorbing energy, then cool. Its a close call either way. I didnt think it was egregious. I called a similar one on Trapilo too, and you might feel that was a legit rep. I was trying to be consistent and fair at least. Im being super patient and respectful. I dont want a beef with you. But I didnt like what I saw of Jones in that game. And to the psychological stuff, I think it's enough of that - I dont need to be right. I have never defended an idea that I thought was wrong because I had previously supported it. That's just not how I am. If I change my mind, then I change it and go with the new idea. And just to be clear, this was my opinion about one game. I said i didnt see any practice, and I heard Roushar's positive evaluation of the scrimmage vs Miami, and next week will be a whole bunch of new info too. Im not calling the competition for any of them. My actual analysis conclusion was that none of them won the job from that game. But I was leaning to Trapilo. Certainly not sold.

hopefully the defense, the running game and Ben Johnsons play calling gives us an edge to get some wins, but I definitely think Caleb is not going to operate this offense at the same level he will in December. but yeah, 0-4, 1-3 even 2-2 isnt great, but i think we will have to have some patience as long as we see growth. This offense is a 28 or 30 points a game type of offense, but I dont expect that early. 13 or 17 might be the output early.

absolutely on all of this. and i do think he was hiding the offense from public scrutiny last week. I get it. Hes feeding them "with a firehose" and they are int he struggling phase, thats cool. And we will see them this weekend, so cool. Im starting to think that training camp for this offense is gonna stretch into the regular season. We will probably need some patience.

Well of course Im still going to have to opinions about OL, but I do respect your experience and opinions. And if we disagree it doesnt mean it hink you dont know what youre talking about - its like two people see a car accident and they each see something different. Thats natural. And I dont "need" to be right, I just believe what im saying the same as anyone. If i see something that changes my mind, I do change my mind. I cant change how you see me, and I know that defending my boundaries with Stinger has cost me something, I knew it would. But Im not who you think I am.

I agree with that. So I gotta ask, why are you being so aggressive, "wrong" etc - I havent spoken that way to you, and its FINE, but I dont think you want me taking a similar tone back? The last few posts have been that I wanted to prove you wrong etc. Im literally not fighting with you. I get that you may be offended at how i speak to Stinger, but he is the only one i speak that way to? And dont get me wrong either, you havent been anywhere near as rude as what caused the fight with me and him last year. So Im not mad or anything, Im just wondering? Because i havent taken that tone with you ever? I still think that Roushar was talking about his base, and his power, and I took that to mean on bullrushes. Theres no way Im saying people should stand upright on any block of course, that'd be dumb. But I am saying that your anchor is for when a block is engaged, and when he got beat for the sack, and the two pressures, those were speed moves. And to the main point, based on what I saw out there, Jones had a bad day, and Roushar DEFINITELY said that. If we are squabbling over two bullrush snaps that I rated as being pushed back, and you think were just absorbing energy, then fine we can disagree on two snaps, but it doesnt mean Jones showed that he could be trusted as the starter based on that one game. He still gave up those pressures and a sack. And I dont think we disagree that he did that? Ozzy has his own troubles with that hand fighting issue.

He was talking about his anchor. That isnt an issue when getting beaten with speed to the outside or inside, its only when you take on defenders and engage them. it is most apparent when you are beaten by a bullrush.

So I guess Roushar agrees with me on the bullrushes and Jones' overall performance Sunday.

ah i remember now, thank you. The Bears have had decades of decisions like that. I sure hope things are different now. Seems like it, but i wanna see it in regular season games, before I can truly believe.

and i wonder, are they awful, or did we just have a terrible OL coach and scheme? Daniels is pretty good isnt he? or was for a minute after us at least?

For sure a dominant pass rusher is probably our biggest hole, maybe LT is. RB is next I agree. If we can get a good pass rush fromt he guys we have and our scheme, then this team can go as far as their learning curve takes them. if we dont have a reliable pass rush, then we can get to #8 or something but we will never beat the really good teams without one. If Booker is that guy, it seriously accelerates the plan and opens that SB contention window.

I said Jones did a good job on 66% (10/15) of his pass reps, and an even higher percentage of his run reps. I wasnt poking at you or anyone. Im not sure how my own analysis proved me incorrect tho? Ozzy didnt have problem with the speed rush, he had problems hand fighting against that chop move, thats what killed him on his bad reps? Anyway, we can disagree, that makes this board fun and challenges my ideas and I learn stuff too, so i appreciate your real take as well. But mine wasnt aimed at you, when I started I was expecting to be shown that my initial thoughts form casually watching the game were wrong, so i was actually following what you said in my own head as I started, but then I just made notes on each snap, and went where they took me? But even if we disagree on some of the bull rush snaps, surely you saw Jones get beat pretty badly to the outside and inside? He gave up a sack and two pressures even without the reps we disagreed on? And we can discount the bullrish reps, but i think everyone does know thats his weakness? Anyway Im no fan of Jones' thats for sure, and Ive said it for a while, but i am agnostic right now on Trapilo and Amagadje. I have some hopes and gut feelings about Trapilo, but one game of tape at LT isnt anywhere near enough for me to know anything much about him - only how he played that one day, against 2nd 3rd and 4th string guys. As for the false start, youre right it was close, and they didnt call it. Im not making much of how I feel about Jones based on that for sure.