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Im with you. I dont want single super bowl visits because a double doink went thru. That's how you go to and lose a Super Bowl. I want to see us dominate. I want people afraid to play us. i want to assume 12 victories at the beginning of the season, and be in the fight with a few other teams for a Super Bowl win in multiple seasons. I think Poles is trying to build something sustainable that could be like that. it wont be this year. But Im with you 100% - I dont want a lucky fumble to give us wins - i want to dominate teams. I had a hit of this in 1985, and i am looking for that next fix. We havent had anything like that since. But I do think we could become a top 5 team across multiple years. I cant wait to watch them build it this year, and then add more ingredients next year, and watch the whole thing build up into a REAL football team. Lets go!

ha me too - well I watched the first 10 minutes. Madden VJ > real life VJ lol

Can I just say? I am SO excited to see this team together on the field at once for 60 minutes.

exactly. He needs to show something he hasnt shown before, or hes not gonna last long.

I think he is definitely on the bubble, and won't be on the team in 2024, if he isnt cut or traded sooner. It's too bad too, because he really is fast. I should add that I will be thrilled to be proven wrong.

I completely agree, and Im sure that's what Poles was thinking too, but I think he might be pretty dumb, and runs the wrong routes etc. I fully agree with you about the role youre thinking of for him, and his speed definitely supports that, but something isnt clicking with the guy. I mean look at how poor his judgement is on punts. Youd think (I think too!) that it cant be THAT hard to feed him like three plays and get him in there for a few snaps, but maybe he just doesnt have that? Anyway we'll see - when hes going the right direction, his speed is definitely there on the field.

I saw a clip of VJ from this years training camp where the coach was telling him that the ball will drift or spin (wasnt clear which) to the right if its a right footed kicker and to the left if its a left footed kicker, and VJ was having trouble remmebering that. After being in the league a year as a returner, he cant remember right = right and left = left? I think maybe he just isnt smart enough to learn an NFL route tree with any precision.

and Tom Brady was a 6th rounder. But VJ is no Devin Hester! Every once in a while someone comes along from late in the draft or UFA and plays his ass off, but they are the exception not the rule. You can pick guys all day from round 1 thru 7 and not find Devin Hester.

no I totally agree. Jones was very much a reach. Im saying Poles was in a predicament - one that he didnt create, and one that i would definitely blame him for if he finds himself there again of his own making. But at the time he needed a WR with speed in order to evaluate Fields, and he didnt have the cap room to do it that way, so he had to reach and take a gamble on Jones. I agree, that gamble was a poor one, and it didnt pay off. Jones will not get a second contract with us for sure. Im just saying I understand why Poles had to do what he did, and it wasnt really his fault. beginning this offseason, he is responsible for his decisions entirely. So getting DJ Moore? A homerun. PJ Walker? Swing and a miss for Poles. But VJ was a product of the situation we were in. And I agree, he is not good at all.

I think Poles wants to draft best player available in general. I also think that last year he needed to evaluate Fields, and that meant getting some speed at WR in a place in the draft where that good player wasnt available. So I dont think it was a matter of smartest guy in the room syndrome as much as being in a tight spot and having a glaring need. Having a need like that going into the draft means youre likely gonna have to reach, and he did. I think as time goes forward, you will see fewer of these kind of picks in the first 4 rounds from Poles.

Yeah its going to be very interesting to see how teams deal with kickoffs.

Oh i totally agree. I even just said that I think Feeney is already better. But where you might keep him around as a backup, with those kind of numbers, hes out the door even faster.

They want to be in the Caleb Williams sweepstakes, they've had enough of that angry dwarf.

Feeney looks pretty good as a zone blocker on tape - he might legitimately supplant Patrick and/or Whitehair on ability alone.

He's also being paid like 13 Million or something this year. i think Whitehair is on his way out of Chicago after this year. At least at those numbers.

Terrell Lewis went unclaimed. He's a pass rusher, but not stout in run support. It's possible we will bring him back to the practice squad.

and TEN didnt fear another team claiming him off of waivers. That means every team in the league agreed that he was getting paid too much on his 2023 deal, 3-4 or 4-3 alike.

Velus made the team, for now. Speed sure does buy you a lot of second chances in other areas.

LOL

I totally agree that Bagent isnt a long term starting NFL QB unless or until we see a deep ball from him. Fields' level of competency has been inconsistent for sure, but there is no QB controversy between the two, youre totally right. But at the same time, we havent seen that calm pocket tempo making good fast reads with good mechanics. It is fair to say that Fields has the 2023 season to grow and take the job going forward, but i also think it's fair to say that Fields has not yet assured himself a new contract with this team, given that we have two first round picks in our pocket for 2024. It's all on Fields this year to grow and take his destiny - but we already all knew that back in February. There is nothing new here, youre right, and the season begins in 12 days, thats when more answers will come.

I guess we waived Peterman today. So Bagent is officially QB2 now. Fields better wake up, or we're gonna be looking at QBs in the 2024 draft.

that's what I think too.

it'll be a fun couple of days.

I'm reading it cost us 6th round pick next year. Hopefully we can get the same or better for Gipson.

Apparently we are making a trade for 29 yo IOL Journeyman Dan Feeney from the Dolphins. He's played OC and OG in San Diego, and then was a primary backup for the Jets. He's probably better than what we have at OC, and backup OG after Davis and Jenkins. He played every game the past two seasons for the Jets (while starting only 5 and 2 games), but started every game but one from 2017 thru 2020 for the Chargers. Here's some film break down from a couple years ago. He looks pretty good in the zone scheme, bumping the right guys, and holding up pretty well on his one on ones. This really helps. But what are we giving? Hopefully in a package with Gipson where we get some draft capital added in coming back our way.