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exactly. He needs to show something he hasnt shown before, or hes not gonna last long.

I think he is definitely on the bubble, and won't be on the team in 2024, if he isnt cut or traded sooner. It's too bad too, because he really is fast. I should add that I will be thrilled to be proven wrong.

I completely agree, and Im sure that's what Poles was thinking too, but I think he might be pretty dumb, and runs the wrong routes etc. I fully agree with you about the role youre thinking of for him, and his speed definitely supports that, but something isnt clicking with the guy. I mean look at how poor his judgement is on punts. Youd think (I think too!) that it cant be THAT hard to feed him like three plays and get him in there for a few snaps, but maybe he just doesnt have that? Anyway we'll see - when hes going the right direction, his speed is definitely there on the field.

I saw a clip of VJ from this years training camp where the coach was telling him that the ball will drift or spin (wasnt clear which) to the right if its a right footed kicker and to the left if its a left footed kicker, and VJ was having trouble remmebering that. After being in the league a year as a returner, he cant remember right = right and left = left? I think maybe he just isnt smart enough to learn an NFL route tree with any precision.

and Tom Brady was a 6th rounder. But VJ is no Devin Hester! Every once in a while someone comes along from late in the draft or UFA and plays his ass off, but they are the exception not the rule. You can pick guys all day from round 1 thru 7 and not find Devin Hester.

no I totally agree. Jones was very much a reach. Im saying Poles was in a predicament - one that he didnt create, and one that i would definitely blame him for if he finds himself there again of his own making. But at the time he needed a WR with speed in order to evaluate Fields, and he didnt have the cap room to do it that way, so he had to reach and take a gamble on Jones. I agree, that gamble was a poor one, and it didnt pay off. Jones will not get a second contract with us for sure. Im just saying I understand why Poles had to do what he did, and it wasnt really his fault. beginning this offseason, he is responsible for his decisions entirely. So getting DJ Moore? A homerun. PJ Walker? Swing and a miss for Poles. But VJ was a product of the situation we were in. And I agree, he is not good at all.

I think Poles wants to draft best player available in general. I also think that last year he needed to evaluate Fields, and that meant getting some speed at WR in a place in the draft where that good player wasnt available. So I dont think it was a matter of smartest guy in the room syndrome as much as being in a tight spot and having a glaring need. Having a need like that going into the draft means youre likely gonna have to reach, and he did. I think as time goes forward, you will see fewer of these kind of picks in the first 4 rounds from Poles.

Yeah its going to be very interesting to see how teams deal with kickoffs.

Oh i totally agree. I even just said that I think Feeney is already better. But where you might keep him around as a backup, with those kind of numbers, hes out the door even faster.

They want to be in the Caleb Williams sweepstakes, they've had enough of that angry dwarf.

Feeney looks pretty good as a zone blocker on tape - he might legitimately supplant Patrick and/or Whitehair on ability alone.

He's also being paid like 13 Million or something this year. i think Whitehair is on his way out of Chicago after this year. At least at those numbers.

Terrell Lewis went unclaimed. He's a pass rusher, but not stout in run support. It's possible we will bring him back to the practice squad.

and TEN didnt fear another team claiming him off of waivers. That means every team in the league agreed that he was getting paid too much on his 2023 deal, 3-4 or 4-3 alike.

Velus made the team, for now. Speed sure does buy you a lot of second chances in other areas.

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I totally agree that Bagent isnt a long term starting NFL QB unless or until we see a deep ball from him. Fields' level of competency has been inconsistent for sure, but there is no QB controversy between the two, youre totally right. But at the same time, we havent seen that calm pocket tempo making good fast reads with good mechanics. It is fair to say that Fields has the 2023 season to grow and take the job going forward, but i also think it's fair to say that Fields has not yet assured himself a new contract with this team, given that we have two first round picks in our pocket for 2024. It's all on Fields this year to grow and take his destiny - but we already all knew that back in February. There is nothing new here, youre right, and the season begins in 12 days, thats when more answers will come.

I guess we waived Peterman today. So Bagent is officially QB2 now. Fields better wake up, or we're gonna be looking at QBs in the 2024 draft.

that's what I think too.

it'll be a fun couple of days.

I'm reading it cost us 6th round pick next year. Hopefully we can get the same or better for Gipson.

Apparently we are making a trade for 29 yo IOL Journeyman Dan Feeney from the Dolphins. He's played OC and OG in San Diego, and then was a primary backup for the Jets. He's probably better than what we have at OC, and backup OG after Davis and Jenkins. He played every game the past two seasons for the Jets (while starting only 5 and 2 games), but started every game but one from 2017 thru 2020 for the Chargers. Here's some film break down from a couple years ago. He looks pretty good in the zone scheme, bumping the right guys, and holding up pretty well on his one on ones. This really helps. But what are we giving? Hopefully in a package with Gipson where we get some draft capital added in coming back our way.

Apparently we are making a trade for 29 yo IOL Journeyman Dan Feeney from the Dolphins. He's played OC and OG in San Diego, and then was a primary backup for the Jets. He's probably better than what we have at OC, and backup OG after Davis and Jenkins. He played every game the past two seasons for the Jets (while starting only 5 and 2 games), but started every game but one from 2017 thru 2020 for the Chargers. Here's some film break down from a couple years ago. He looks pretty good in the zone scheme, bumping the right guys, and holding up pretty well on his one on ones. This really helps. But what are we giving? Hopefully in a package with Gipson where we get some draft capital added in coming back our way.

To be fair, i think it was Mongo calling into Waddle that said this first. Bagent's effect on Fields could be really good for him.

I looked at every Bagent highlight reel I could find, and I never saw a pass that traveled more than, say, 30 yards in the air. If you watch his throws on out routes, you can see there is an arc to the ball, not a straight line like some of the really strong arms in the NFL. Bagent does have a very quick release, so some of that can be mitigated by making decisions faster, but NFL corners bait QBs and if the ball spends more time in the air, that means more interceptions in the NFL. It would be exciting to see Bagent prove everyone wrong and have success. Id root for him just like I rooted for Doug Flutie - another mold breaker. But I fear he is more like Shane Matthews - who looked similarly good at reading defenses until we all noticed that he was just throwing to the shortest route on every play, and the speed wasnt because he was processing, he just decided to throw to the shortest route before the snap every time. It's a good gambit for making a few million in the NFL, but once defenses catch on, you're cooked. Now I dont think that Bagent is doing exactly that, but being a point guard with good ball distribution skills only gets you so far if you cant throw deep and keep that 8th man out of the box. On paper, Bagent shouldnt make it. But then again, he shouldnt have made it this far either, and his college numbers are ridiculous. Id love to see him show us a new way that works. Meanwhile, the effect of Bagent doing this on Fields should hopefully be extremely positive. If Fields can internalize some of Bagents skills, he will be a hell of a QB.