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Yes that IS good news. Maybe Fields sees Bagent working in rhythm, and increases his tempo? It'll give the staff film to show him...

I guess you can add trainer to the list of people that need to be fired?

I agree. but you cant put two top first round QBs that are still both trying to ascend on the same team. I dont think you can anyway. And with so much draft capital and a year of high rated QBs, you kinda have to take one.

I think we need to draft Caleb Williams and Drake Maye with picks 1 and 2, so we get at least one NFL QB. Ha. Im kidding of course. Its why we cant have Fields and Williams (or whoever) next year either.

he had a quick release

theres film of like a 5 year old Payton Manning, with a huge forehead, saying hes gonna be an NFL QB lol. It makes sense since his Dad was one, but still it's kind of chilling. They come from SOMEWHERE...

yeah. Bust. seriously though, those throws on top of the rubber ball are pretty amazing - it's all arm and core. Im gonna need to see him against some 7th grade competition LOL

yeah i dont think they are trading him now, just like they arent firing Eberflus now, but i think we are talking about after the season is over. You're totally right that he could come back and play well in a few games and increase his trade value. But if you pick a QB that you want to be your starter, you gotta trade or cut Fields - having them both around would be a recipe for trouble.

unless more than one team wants him, but yes, at this point, he isnt worth much. he needed to stack a few more games to increase his value.

I'm gonna need to see the kid under pressure LOL

Just wait 10 years. With the number one pick in the 2034 draft the Bears will finally be ready to get their QB.

If the draft had dropped a little differently, Whitehair would have been cut this year - I agree there is no way he is on the team next year.

I saw those too. Borom just sitting on the ground, useless.

it's a good take because there are multiple highly touted QBs entering the draft. That's gotta make these guys want to make the jump. Two questions: 1) Do we think Harbaugh would be a good coach for the Bears? 2) Do we think the Bears would hire Harbaugh? I havent thought enough about it to know what my final decision would be - especially not having investigated a lot of alternate options yet. But my gut call is that Harbaugh is exactly who we need. But he IS a lunatic who's hell bent on winning. At first glance that sounds great - but he is a major weirdo. Hard-ass doesn't even begin to describe it. He's an alpha among alphas and has a giant stick wedged waaaaay up there. He's the drill sergeant from Full Metal Jacket. So I wonder if the Bears would be willing to deal with him and hire him. I wonder if he'd insist on controlling player acquisition. I wonder if he might burn out today's overpaid players with too much authority. On the other hand... he'd be maniacal about winning. I'd probably go for it. I still need to know more about other options too.

I'm sure despite all the right things said to reporters, there are players that are frustrated with Fields' play and want to win games. I don't see this like when Lovie left and Trestman came in and some players we're mutinous because they were still Lovies guys. Lovie had won with them, and taken them to a super bowl. We've won one game in a year. Im sure the players would love new coaches and players who can win games. The question is can we find those people and make them Bears?

thats where Im at too

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Im arguing that Fields sucks. You were comparing him to Mahomes, so I was saying "no, theyre nothing alike" but I didnt want to be mean or attacking, so i put it as a question "do you really think Mahomes and Fields are comparable?" Because i dont, and it seemed to me you were saying they were. And the funny thing is you agree with me so much that you were insulted (which i wasnt trying to do) so then Im back to the obvious point - so how can you compare them? I wanted Fields to be good. He has a lot of great tools. But for whatever reason, he hasnt sped up his processing. What he has that keeps him in the statistical conversation is: last year he was one of the best running QBs ever he had two statistically good games in a row against defenses that left receivers wide open and to me, neither of those things means anything, unless or until he starts stacking those kind of statistical passing performances week after week against defenses that cover better. I think this may be the classic stats vs eye test argument? and it is also the "im rooting for him" vs "I think its time to move on" argument both are classic sports debates that go on with every team. So really, I promise Im not trying to bait you. I just disagree with you, and Im trying to put it in the nicest way possible, while still arguing my side?

I think you are probably right. I mostly like Poles. The only hitch may be if a strong willed coach comes in, like a Harbaugh, who demands more input to the roster and wants his own guy in there. But if I had to lay odds, I'd say it's 70%+ Poles stays?

it's an incredibly rare opportunity - but they have to make the right picks. NFL QBs are so hard to project. I hope we have the right guys making the right choice, because that more than anything else will define our next 4 or 5 years here

yeah, this made a lot of sense at the time. and you nailed it. we were all full of questions on Fields, and second string QBs, especially rookie ones, are what football kool aid dreams are made of. Most QBs dont play every snap, theres usually some injury, and even if youre debating which QB should be the backup, youre doing it in the framework of "what if they play?" so it makes sense. Im going with foreshadowing.

I remain completely confused about Bagent. I dont think he is superman, but I dont see how he wasnt drafted. There must be a reason. The things he does well, he seems to do very well, especially for such a young rookie. i have read, and participated in, suspicion about his arm strength, but he threw a long ball earlier in the game that didnt have too much rainbow to it, so i dunno. Is it just that he didnt face Division 1 opponents? if thats all it is, then yeah we should evaluate him and see what he really is. But if there is some other reason why scouts passed on him, then he probably isnt the long term answer, and with 2 top first round picks, and a year of good QBs, you gotta grab one. But I am rooting for the kid, and I like him. I am sure at this point Getsy thinks the ONLY way he lives thru this year is to kick ass with Bagent and then have everyone think that it was all Justin's fault. I will say this tho - not yet knowing Bagent's major flaws - when hes in there, it looks like football. The timing feels crisp, and it just looks like a real offense. I hope Getsy given him the whole playbook and doesnt try to protect him and scheme away from just playing regular football.

Yeah but there is nothing personal in that. You were comparing Fields to Mahomes, so i asked if you really meant it. I do try if you notice to also post my agreement with what you say when we agree, so im not like trying to rile you up or anything. I hope that helps.

I hope he is able to come back and play well - it helps us all the way around. But I dont want to win any games by luck. I want to win the games we deserve to win on the field, and lose the ones we deserve to lose. We need to see whats what so we can make sound decisions going into the offseason. Seeing more Justin is a good thing no matter what we find out about him. And it will be fun to see Bagent this week. I'm rooting for the kid to do well. He's fun to watch, but Im nowhere near ready to think he should be our starter next year or anything like that. But he is the underdog, so Im rooting for him.

for sure - it's both of them. That was the worst gameplan - for a team you KNEW was gonna blitz too. The first play is a perfect example. You have an empty backfield, against a blitz heavy team! Why? Then they show 6 guys up front. We only have five to block them. Justin does nothing to adjust from the poor play call. He stands in the pocket with no urgency and seems surprised when the 6th guy, unblocked, hits him with a full head of steam. Part of blitz protection is on the QB. They need to bring a guy in, roll out away from the pressure, release the ball early, find hot reads, audible away from the play ETC Later in the game, on the play Justin got hurt, he was hit more than SIX seconds after the snap. The only reason we arent sure that Getsy and Fields are awful is that it MIGHT be all the other one's fault. Well, it's both of them.