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I hope so too! I had read this in the most recent report I saw. It was new info to me. I couldnt for the life of me find the article now. Who knows? Everything is a smokescreen. I can say that Todd McShay was reporting that his coaches were saying privately that they question his love for the game. Also, for a guy with such dominant tools, his production wasn't on par with his ability. Watch the National Championship game - he didnt particularly stand out. I'll take Tyree Wilson or the next best 3T instead.

one more point - Angelos floor was about ability. I dont question Carters ability - I question his heart and commitment.

there are overly safe plays, and unnecessary risks. the trick is knowing one from the other. Are you going on record saying you'd take Carter? I keep thinking of Eddie Goldman, and Roquan and a few others who's hearts werent in it?

Yeah the key here is to get someone that WILL play well for you, even if that means passing on a possible stud who MIGHT pan out. I mean, let's say he had no red flags, and was everyones consensus #1, and lets say that we knew he was gonna be available at #9, if he got hit by a bus and killed the week before the draft, it's not like the Bears couldnt win a Superbowl, or many of them, as a result. So if we whiff on a generational 3T, but gain a quality starter who contributes a lot to wins, that's fine. That's all you NEED to do. It's safer to pass on him, or better yet someone takes him before us, and we snag another player who has a great career.

I still think it'll be Davis on the right side, and Davis is PLENTY nasty! Maybe Poles will surprise us and put Davis at RG and Jenkins at RT. Or maybe Poles doesnt trust Jenkins' head and injuries, and hes a backup or trade bait.

I think it's fine to NOT take guys who end up being great. That doesnt really hurt you. Most players go to other teams, so that's normal. What hurts you is missing on the guys you DO take. So if Poles takes a player who turns out to be excellent, but Carter turns into Aaron Donald, while sportswriters will talk about what we missed, all that matters is how our team plays. The bigger risk here is taking Carter and having him flame out. That would hurt us, wasting a top 10 draft pick. But if we take another player who plays well, then it deosnt matter that we didnt get Carter, even if he becomes a great player.

Mauch looks like a beast. I trust Poles' evaluations are better than mine. But if he likes Mauch too, I'm gonna be thrilled.

I think we need to put more talent on the DL. We could roll with what we have on the OL, and RT wouldnt be a strength, but if we dont generate pass rush, all the coverage in the world isnt gonna help. If we put someone on the DL that can get consistent pressure, this team is a winner. If we put it at RT, we will perform better on offense, but lose more high scoring games. Poles will surely address both, but as for the 9th pick, i think it has to go to the DL. If you have a great 3T on your list, you gotta take him. And Ill be thrilled if it isn't Carter, and our scouts fell in love with someone else at 3T. But if the DT value isnt there, and you cant trade down, the RT from Northwestern sure does look good. I would love both, but we gotta look at 3T.

he may well still have a future, but i think he was picked out of desperation for last year. If he becomes more than that, then great.

I think we needed someone to take the top off of the defense, so Fields would have a chance of growing. We didnt have much cap space or draft capital to do it, so we reached on Velus. He may still become a decent player for us, but if he doesnt, he is a relic of the situation we were in. As we become more complete and sustainable, we shouldnt see reaches like that in the 3rd round any more. Also, in the future, I wont be upset if Poles takes some flyers on high risk high upside players, and I expect a decent percentage of them to fail. The way to judge Poles starting this year is wins and losses, not to nit pick over every player he chooses, since we know they wont all make the team as our roster gets stronger.

and he could extend players too. Plus if needed more money, he could restructure Eddie Jackson and/or cut or restructure Whitehair.

yes, and you might even package two of the low seconds (or the low second and top third) to move to the top part of the second round. But I like your idea of the swap, very creative. For sure, Poles has some flexibility in a draft that is deep at the areas we need help in. He has shown himself to be a shrewd wheeler dealer. Now we just need to talent evaluations on the OL and DL to be right.

That's what it looks like. And if for some odd reason Fields doesnt progress, you can pick up a top QB next year and have a stocked team waiting for him to grow into.

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Oh cool! I thought it was part of the ongoing debate here about whether he can play DT full time!

The chart is excellent, but i think DeMarcus Walker is a DE, not a DT. He never played any 1st down DT, only passing downs moving a DE inside for pure pass rush.

nasty!

amen

oh man he is a squirty little problem for defenses. I would pick him high, but id def take a flyer on him with a later round pick. gadget guy, kick returner, change of pace back

I expect one player at 9 or dropping down a bit more maybe, and then yes, we could package two of the three grouped picks near the ned of the 2nd to move up for another player earlier, and still get a player at the top of the third (or higher).

I agree except for calling it ego - it's expected availability?

well he is cleared in a sense, he already pled no contest and got probation, and 80 hours of community service. In doing this, he cannot be prosecuted for any other crimes related to that day. We also found out today that he didnt leave the scene of the accident until after the police showed up, and they sppoke to him so he wasnt drunk. after they said he was free to go, he left, and then when they asked him to return two hours later he did. my issue has nothing to do with any of that, cuz hes clear to play, and i like my 3Ts nasty. my issue is that he is known to not have a love for the gmae, and his response to this was to get fat and not finish drills rather than to get angry and attack. I FULLY agree that different people respond to stress and depression differently. I dont judge him as a person., I judge him as a destroyer of the man in front him. when things get tough I want a fighter, not a runner.

I love this analysis and thread - it's great to see it all in one place. I still feel we dont have a RT at the level of some of these recent low cash signings on the roster (or better), so I'd add that to the list of holes?

yup. this is our bruiser back. Or a placeholder for one. Monty was great, but this guy is half the price.

right. you can cut them with no cap effect. this is draft insurance.