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Oh Im not saying Bagent is the next coming, or even will be a good starter in the NFL - it's WAAAAY too early for that - Im just saying an undrafted rookie comes off the bench into the same game facing the same issues and manages to get the ball out significantly faster and the result is a bunch of completions. That just shows how slow Fields still is in processing. And this isnt news. You can go back and read pre draft evaluation on Fields and it says the same thing. I cant know what kind of NFL QB Williams or Bagent or Penix or Maye will be. All I know is that Fields is too slow to reliably lead an NFL team to the promised land. Im using Bagent as a way to measure Fields, not propping Bagent up as a savior.

If you truly mean what youre saying, then youre saying if you were Chiefs GM, youd trade Mahomes for Fields? Also I dont think Poles is "listening to fans" The reason Fields numbers look so good is because he played two AWFUL defenses, and still only managed to beat one. As we play more games, those aberrant numbers from a small sample size will average out. Anyone could see Bagent proved that Fields isnt doing nearly enough with what he has to work with.

Nothing is ever perfect in the NFL, but some QBs manage to win anyway. Its easier with more protection and WRs, but you could see that Bagent with the same situation, was able to get the ball out much more quickly - proving it can be done. Im not saying Bagent is the answer. hes just a kid and I havent seen anywhere near enough. Same with Williams, I know what I read, but i havent seen enough. All i know is that Fields has been in the NFL for a few seasons now, and is still slow on his read. Dexter, for example, is faster off the ball every week. Hes improving. Fields is not processing faster. Bagent was a great example of what a difference it can make. On one play, Moore came out of his break and the ball was already right there on anticipation. Fields would still be watching him come out of his break to decide if he was open or not.

I can shake your hand on that, I feel the same way. Last year I was all in on the tankathon. This year, with Carolina doing it for us, it is a tough pill to swallow.

for sure. this coaching staff sucks.

true, and if we add some dogs on the D Line, the defense will look a lot better. Totally, Whitehair is a terrible center. The best cure for a bad OL is a faster release.

So I have no crystal ball on Caleb Williams or any of the other QBs. Predicting NFL success at that position is difficult for the professionals who spend all day doing it. So I admit that. And your point about needing more on the Offensive and Defensive lines is well made. Youre right. Without consistent pass pressure, it's hard to beat good teams. We all knew this in preseason. And its glaring. We need a star pass rusher. But you seldom get a chance at a top pick to get that QB, and we have other picks, including a second first rounder, and whatever you get for Fields, and a lot of cap room coming to address those positions too. We can do both!

calm down (again)

I hear you, but Bagent got the same things Fields did today, and you could feel the difference in timing. Fields is too slow, he doesnt know where his WRs are. Bagent has vision and a fast release. I dunno if Bagent is the guy moving forward, it will take a greater sample size, but it shows glaringly how bad Fields is as a passer. If Bagent hadnt been hit as he threw, that was the winning touchdown to Moore too.

and as much as I hate to say it, Poles almost traded 3 first rounders for Russell Wilson. SO glad that didn't happen.

You didnt see the difference in rhythm?

I think Poles is doing OK. We started with nothing, and I think the 2024 roster will be tight. The rest? You know I agree 100%.

dude its two+ years of bad play from Fields. Hes been taking forever to throw his entire NFL career. The idea was maybe he would learn and grow so his other extra skills could make him dangerous. Here you saw an experiment. same defense same day, and the difference was obvious. Bagent was an undrafted rookie in his first start with no preparation before coming off the bench.

ah! he got hit as he threw - damn. That was gonna be a TD too. The reason the defender was able to get back to the ball was that he was beaten by the receiver.

LOVE it - it looks so smooth. It looks like football!

Its not an emotional thing - its on tape. You change that one variable, and everything looks markedly different, how could we NOT notice? I want the Bears to be good. Im a Bears fan more than I am a fan of any player or coach on the team - especially when they are holding us back.

LOL It's a great start, I dunno what it means for Bagent, but it sure indicts JF as a real problem.

Yeah Im not really saying anything about the future of Bagent (yet!) but he sure exposes Fields so bad. Just look at the spark our team has right now. They believe in Bagent more than Fields. Maybe they didnt even know that about themselves, but it's right there on the field.

I'm not saying Bagent is the future or the best QB ever or anything, but I think we can now see CLEARLY how slow Fields is in making his reads. After the mountain of BS the last two weeks, can we see how bad JF is at playing QB?

what? rhythm? timing? a first down? Two?

That is what passes with timing look like.

If he doesnt get more playing time to prove anything, I think youre right.

NICE play by Stevenson!

The announcer just said it too - take the training wheels off. Play football, or go work in an office. This staff has too much fear.

a slant wont beat 8 in the box, but you dont have to hold the ball very long to throw intermediate routes.