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I totally agree that Bagent isnt a long term starting NFL QB unless or until we see a deep ball from him. Fields' level of competency has been inconsistent for sure, but there is no QB controversy between the two, youre totally right. But at the same time, we havent seen that calm pocket tempo making good fast reads with good mechanics. It is fair to say that Fields has the 2023 season to grow and take the job going forward, but i also think it's fair to say that Fields has not yet assured himself a new contract with this team, given that we have two first round picks in our pocket for 2024. It's all on Fields this year to grow and take his destiny - but we already all knew that back in February. There is nothing new here, youre right, and the season begins in 12 days, thats when more answers will come.

I guess we waived Peterman today. So Bagent is officially QB2 now. Fields better wake up, or we're gonna be looking at QBs in the 2024 draft.

that's what I think too.

it'll be a fun couple of days.

I'm reading it cost us 6th round pick next year. Hopefully we can get the same or better for Gipson.

Apparently we are making a trade for 29 yo IOL Journeyman Dan Feeney from the Dolphins. He's played OC and OG in San Diego, and then was a primary backup for the Jets. He's probably better than what we have at OC, and backup OG after Davis and Jenkins. He played every game the past two seasons for the Jets (while starting only 5 and 2 games), but started every game but one from 2017 thru 2020 for the Chargers. Here's some film break down from a couple years ago. He looks pretty good in the zone scheme, bumping the right guys, and holding up pretty well on his one on ones. This really helps. But what are we giving? Hopefully in a package with Gipson where we get some draft capital added in coming back our way.

Apparently we are making a trade for 29 yo IOL Journeyman Dan Feeney from the Dolphins. He's played OC and OG in San Diego, and then was a primary backup for the Jets. He's probably better than what we have at OC, and backup OG after Davis and Jenkins. He played every game the past two seasons for the Jets (while starting only 5 and 2 games), but started every game but one from 2017 thru 2020 for the Chargers. Here's some film break down from a couple years ago. He looks pretty good in the zone scheme, bumping the right guys, and holding up pretty well on his one on ones. This really helps. But what are we giving? Hopefully in a package with Gipson where we get some draft capital added in coming back our way.

To be fair, i think it was Mongo calling into Waddle that said this first. Bagent's effect on Fields could be really good for him.

I looked at every Bagent highlight reel I could find, and I never saw a pass that traveled more than, say, 30 yards in the air. If you watch his throws on out routes, you can see there is an arc to the ball, not a straight line like some of the really strong arms in the NFL. Bagent does have a very quick release, so some of that can be mitigated by making decisions faster, but NFL corners bait QBs and if the ball spends more time in the air, that means more interceptions in the NFL. It would be exciting to see Bagent prove everyone wrong and have success. Id root for him just like I rooted for Doug Flutie - another mold breaker. But I fear he is more like Shane Matthews - who looked similarly good at reading defenses until we all noticed that he was just throwing to the shortest route on every play, and the speed wasnt because he was processing, he just decided to throw to the shortest route before the snap every time. It's a good gambit for making a few million in the NFL, but once defenses catch on, you're cooked. Now I dont think that Bagent is doing exactly that, but being a point guard with good ball distribution skills only gets you so far if you cant throw deep and keep that 8th man out of the box. On paper, Bagent shouldnt make it. But then again, he shouldnt have made it this far either, and his college numbers are ridiculous. Id love to see him show us a new way that works. Meanwhile, the effect of Bagent doing this on Fields should hopefully be extremely positive. If Fields can internalize some of Bagents skills, he will be a hell of a QB.

Yeah, a lot of people fall victim to the fallacy of sunk costs. You already spent the money - keep the best players, no need to justify the $ it's already gone either way. Plus when you cut these guys it's good for team chemistry. people get the idea that this isn't a cushy gig where you can half ass it. I like what Poles and Eberflus are doing. i imagine we will get better every year for a while.

I figured the best we'd get at this point is a 6th rounder or something. If we get an IOL, they'd have to be able to make the roster or it's pointless. So if they can get someone of that quality, I'll be pleasantly surprised. Yup - HITS philosophy in action. Earn your spot, or see ya.

Leatherwood never got any better. It's so surprising, he has physical skills, and he was highly drafted, but in the end, he's not a football player. We must be liking J'Tyre Carter and starting to trust him. I also think with Jenkins' injury, they see they will keep Patrick around, so that leaves Leatherwood as the odd man out. I'm surprised that he never developed, but Im not surprised we cut him today given that he didnt.

100%, all of this

Interesting that it's just one foot. Who knows what to believe about what's written in articles. Information is foggy for sure this time of year.

If this helps any of the readers of this thread, two seconds of googling provided this article on the NIH website. The NIH is the National Institute of Health, a government agency that was leading the way to the deployment of the COVID vaccine, so they are no anti-vax source. You couldnt find a source closer to the center of the production of the vaccine than the NIH (along with the CDC of course, they work together). Nevertheless, even THEY say this: "The critical issue now is to concentrate on protecting individuals against illness through immunization. One of the causes for concern among the researchers, physicians, and generally the whole community from the onset of vaccination has been the adverse effects (specifically blood clots) that may be observed after the injection of the COVID-19 vaccine." So this is not anything that is being debated. Every side agrees. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9055170/ And for what it's worth, I would NEVER post anything partisan or political on this site. I surely have my views as we all do. But I dont want to bring that here. Thats the reason I am so dogged about this right now, its because I was very careful in my post to avoid anything controversial or political. I love this board, and I learn a lot here from all of you. Im not here to fight. I would rather shake hands and move in in actual mutual respect if possible.

aw, thats awesome.

nope. not even close. If we want to avoid this topic, thats fine, but youre not gonna claim anything i said was wrong or even controversial while pretending not to say anything and suggesting we not say anything. I said nothing partisan or even at issue. The CDC agrees as do anti vaxxers. Nothing in that list was even slightly incorrect or debated. If this helps, I did not even claim the mRNA breaks into the nucleus or reprograms DNA or anything like that. But 100% mRNA does cause the body to create COVID vaccine in the body. That's its entire purpose. And Covid vaccine includes the spike protein, and the spike protein is linked to clotting. Nothing at all controversial in any of that. So you can either apologize for misreading me and then claiming I'm misfiring, or you can cite what you're talking about. I don't think this is the place for this debate, so if you want to avoid having it here, don't make short little put downs. But this hit and run, and then back to football is BS. Wanna just stop talking about it? Cool. But don't get in some last word non specific dig on the way out, especially when you're either wrong or you misread me. I think we can do a better job of mutual respect here AZ. You wouldn't like it if I spoke to you that way either.

youre not totally wrong tho - it IS on NFL Network tomorrow.

If you have NFL Sunday Ticket it is available there too. Preseason games didn't used to be - so that's a new thing. Hopefully it works. Its no longer a separate app on my TV, now its inside of the YouTubeTV app. I need to find my way around that app - so its preseason for me too LOL

fair enough. I didnt think it was a joke, but youre right I could have missed it. if so, apologies to Killa. I do know that we are politically divided as a nation, and I wouldnt want to bring any disputed or partisan issues into this board. We are united by our shared love of the Bears, and there is no need to infect this awesome place with that divisive stuff, from either side. So I definitely wasn't trying to do any of that.

Its on NFL Network (delayed) tomorrow at noon Chicago time

there no tin foil to any of what was said. these are straight facts, literally no one disputes them. 1) The Covid protein makes people sick (it is a virus) and the spike protein in its shape is responsible for clotting and other side effects. Thats why people who get Covid have a lot of the side effects that come with getting sick with Covid 2) The Covid mRNA jab puts mRNA in your body where it programs some of your cells to make Covid vaccine. That's how it works. 3) Vaccines are a portion of the full protein, that is incomplete, so you dont get sick from it, but it trains your body 's immune system so it can fight the infection. In this case the portion of the Covid protein that is in the vaccine is the famous spike protein. 4) whether present in the blood by Covid infection or mRNA inoculation, the spike protein causes clotting issues. None of this is in dispute by anyone - from the CDC to the most anti vaxers. These are facts that everyone agrees with on all sides. The tin foil hat comment is just ignorant of the facts - and again, I have not said anything here that isnt agreed on by all sides including the CDC etc. Literally nothing here is in dispute.

That's a good point too. The spike protein causes these clotting issues, whether they got there from a COVID infection, or from the mRNA shot that programs your cells to create COVID vaccine, which includes the same spike protein. Either way.

So, Ive been operating under the assumption that Bagent's arm wasn't that strong. All his college highlights are short passes, accurate, but not especially zippy, and none downfield. Then I start reading today that he is considered to have a strong arm and accuracy is his issue. Now the guy had a 69% completion ratio in college, and threw 159 TDs and only 48 interceptions. You dont do that if youre not accurate. And I saw no evidence of a strong arm. So now I am confused. I dont see how this guy went undrafted unless there is a major hole in his game, and accuracy wouldnt be it - not with his production. It MUST be his arm. Do sportswriters really just get caught in an echo chamber and suddenly you find a bunch of articles all saying the same wrong thing? I will be very interested to watch him this weekend. I hope they dial up some long passes too. Hmm