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That's where I'm at too. A nasty right side like that would (will) be amazing to see. I also think that we'll end up with someone other than Whitehair at Center. There are lots of options out there with our second round picks, and lower if we have a sleeper. Also, I'm not sure Wright does struggle with speed. He certainly handled Anderson, who said Wright was the toughest opponent he faced in college. That's good enough for me. I sure hope he's there for us. A trade down and to still get him would be great, but if hes there, and we trade down and miss him, that's gonna be a big black mark against Poles in my opinion. I mean, assuming he takes another OT, and not a 3T or something, where he might make the case he wasnt taking an OT anyway.

That's what I see too. He puts himself in excellent position, but doesn't deliver the blow. It's possible that's the coaching at Northwestern, but I want someone who moves people, and not just someone who basically pass blocks, even on running plays. And also, if you're going to be an "absorb energy" style blocker, he has to get his butt down, because I see him bent back too often. I worry that the pros will be able to defeat his style. Darnell Wright, on the other hand (and on the other side lol) not only moves people, but he shut down the top pass rushers in this years draft. Id be a lot more comfortable with a guy like that as the pick.

I dont disagree at all. His body position is always excellent, and he gets the job done. He is not a mauler, but more of a catcher. And Im not comparing him to Leno at ALL, only that that's where I first found these guys. And I admit they are obnoxious, but they have more film than anywhere else I can find.

let me add this: A lot of times my contrary views (like early on Leno Jr) come from a channel called "The Tape Never Lies" - and first off I gotta admit they are obnoxious as hell. You gotta forward through like 15 minutes of replays and hype and BS to get to the meat. They are bull headed and egotistical and generally unpleasant. BUT, they do film analysis (I just skip ahead until I see all 22 on the screen lol) and I really like the way they see things. And rather than taking their opinion, i see the film myself and I can evaluate whether i agree with what they are saying or not. I highly recommend the channel for good info, and i highly recommend skipping past all the self serving crap they put before the film too LOL Skip ahead to 11:45 to see their analysis on Skoronski?

dude thats very kind - thank you! And I totally respect you and your knowledge as an OL too - I wonder if you ever got to look at that film, and what you might think of it. I see highlight reels that look amazing, but when i watched that all 22 rep after rep, I thought I saw something different, and I honestly would be interested in your opinion, if you saw it?

I dont like Skoronski. His feet ARE elite, but he isnt as physical as Id like him to be. I know this is contrary to the current narrative, but that doesnt make me wrong, it just makes me an outlier. There have been many highly touted OL who shot up the draft and were busts. Some very famous names. And of course there are lots of highly touted OLs that turned out to be great too. I posted some all 22 film a while back that really changed my mind on him. It's a sports talk situation, so its OK to disagree, and even to hold outlier positions. Time will show of course. If he's there on the board when we pick, Poles' choice will tell part of the story, and of course his performance over the next couple of years in the league will tell the rest, and we will see.

yup

depends what they gave for him I guess

Yeah this time of year everything is changing, and we get one narrative from the media that seems to recirculate, and then we sometimes get pieces of info that clarify the picture. The good news is the staff knows these players much better than the media or we can, so i guess from our points of view its all still dynamic, and it speaks well of you that you can take in new info and change your mind - a lot of people cant do that, and not just in football but all kinds of things. Ive been watching all 22 film on The Tape Never Lies channel, and it has reenforced my feelings on some players and completely changed my mind on others. And I still dont know even a fraction of what Poles does (or should!).

I've been watching all 22 film, and I gotta say I do not like Skoronski at all. There are a bunch of OTs I like better than him. I realize that this is counter to the prevailing narrative right now in the media, so i expect it will sound stupid to most of you, but I'm watching the tape, and I don't see the explosion in his blocks. He is often in bad position, and cant absorb his opponent's energy, getting pushed back or folded over. he doesnt attack with a strong hit, but catches opponents instead. He is not a HITS guy. And I assume the Bears are looking at the tape too, and from my point of view, seeing the same things.

probably right stinger

Mauch is not a first round pick at all, but later near the bottom of the second would be a great place to pick him up.

RJ is a physical beast. He doesnt have the finesse and polish that PJJ has on the left side, but he has the physical tools to make any coach drool. Think Big Cat Williams. There are lots of intriguing OTs this year, and RJ is definitely on that list.

I think we are working options, and the trade down for Darnell Wright is definitely one of them.

I agree with all of that, but for example, is Kancey for real? Any edge rushers that might be there?

I think we need to be looking for at least one blue chipper. We could take this year to build depth, but next year a lot of these guys could be replaced by our first round picks. So why bother to build depth as job one? I love getting more picks, and I know that for some positions taking them at 9 instead of say, 14, is overpaying, but who cares if youre going to miss out on them by 17? Maybe they will show me that I am wrong about Carter, and take the player. Id sure love to see him thrive - but again, Im getting excited about the position, not the player, not the value. I wish there was a perfect 3T out there who fit the value at 9, or maybe 6 and fell because of QBs. I do see what everyone else sees - that the value is right for a choice of OTs at that point, and OT is certainly a position of need. But I wish we had more to look at on the DL, both 3T and pass rushers for that 9 pick.

I was thinking RT of course. Mauch is not an NFL LT for sure, and maybe youre right about RT too

and Mauch is NASTY too

yes. camp leg

lol @ the ankles Like I said before, Im more interested in the position than the guy. Maybe we'll draft Carter, and then well all get behind that and hope he kicks ass. I just think our situation at the DL is really bare, especially at 3T, and Kancey looks like he can do something. I imagine Edmunds cleaning up the run issues, and Fields scoring points so we need a pass rush at 3T. Billings will eat up the run from the other DT. He is the Fridge DT, and the 3T is the McMichael position. He was small too as I recall? Kancey is the same size as Zorich too. he's a classic undersized "go" tackle.

yeah but a player is much more than their measurables for sure. AA isn't in the same class as Kancey. Kancey is a tremendous football players. also, if you do want to talk about measurables, Kancey's RAS is elite.

if they value Kancey, I agree you drop down to take him, but I think hes gone by about pick 20. So if you think he's Aaron Donald, and you can grab him at, say, pick 12 or 13, do you really care if people say you reached by not paying the perfect price for him? Alternatively, if short arms or something make you back off of him, then you probably shouldnt take him as your first pick in this draft at all. 2nd round, sure. The film I've seen makes me really want him, but I will defer to the Bears front office on that decision of course. It feels good to say that - it hasnt always been the case...

yeah like I said, I dunno. Whatever our scouts say is good with me. but I cant help hoping that he is the 3T we need. I guess I am reacting more to the hole at the position than the actual player. We need a dominant 3T for this defense. Without a pass rush, anyone can beat zone coverage given enough time. Like everyone else, I want to see a blue chip OT added to this roster too, and i know how important Fields' development this year is. But i also know that until we have our 3T, we arent really a threat to do anything. We need both. I cant wait to see how Poles figures this out.

Sometimes undersized 3Ts are the best. Aaron Donald, John Randle and Warren Sapp come to mind. Now I surely cant say if Kancey will be one of those or just an undersized washout. That's up to our scouts, Flus and Poles to figure out. But if they say yes, Im all in on Kancey. His film is awesome, and his production in college was great. I can say I want an actual 3T at 3T, and not an end who came inside on passing downs to be converted.

I think Kancey might go earlier than expected.