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all that is good, but i mean, I think he can find a player who is simply better than Whitehair. I think Whitehair may have looked good next to some other players, but he is not really that good objectively.

he would look great in blue and orange. someone somewhere has to figure out whether he is worth picking at 2 or 4 rather than trading down, getting the next guy and another player. If he ends up in Chicago, I will be very pleased.

Payne should come in between 18M and 21M a year. Likely 19.5 ish

I think there is a good chance Whitehair is gone. He simply costs too much, and even with his dead cap money, you could replace him with the cap savings from cutting him.

That'd be a good deal. I think we will have to pay more to sign him.

Good for him. He played well this year - I'm interested to see how he grows and where he is headed as a player too. I doubt he's reached anything near his ceiling as a rookie.

Also keep in mind we are almost certain to sign at least one big free agent on the DL, and that might affect what we do in the draft too. For example, I don't see us signing (or trading for) a big name DT and then taking Jalen Carter. Frankly, I don't see us taking him anyway. maybe if he falls to like 8 or something, but not in the top 5. We are so wide open from here it's incredible.

amen, and i expect Fields will end this discussion with his passing in 2023

I guess it depends on the trade offer. I assume we'd all trade Fields for four first round picks. Of course for the same reason, no one is offering four firsts for him either. But even if you're not sold on Fields as a passer (yet?) I don't think any of the QBs this year's draft are that dominant. Caleb Williams is coming out next year, and he is a much better NFL prospect, I think. So even in the worst case scenario, you still keep Fields and give him 2023 with a line and some targets and see what kind of passer he becomes. I think he's gonna be great, but if he isn't, then you have a high pick in the 2024 draft. If we get a 2024 first round pick in trading down this year, it increases the chances that we could replace Fields if he fails in 2023 with a top pick, and if Fields emerges the way a lot of think he will, then you are even better off to put talent around him. Marvin Harrison Jr for example? So, even if you are cynical on Fields, I dont really see the point in drafting a new QB this year, rather than giving Fields 2023 before you have to make that decision, with a better QB prospect waiting in the wings. long way of saying, even if one agrees with their feelings on Fields, dumping him now is still dumb. Well for less that four first rounders anyway LOL

I was just saying this this weekend - even with all the rules changes to help the offense, when you get to the top levels, and the games really matter, the defenses can still take over a game. Looking at YOU Roquan, ya fake.

I am predicting 3 new starters on the OL. A new center, a new tackle, and a new guard.

hahaha its a good time to be a Bears fan!

so with you

OK, you were right and I was wrong! https://dknation.draftkings.com/nfl/2022/8/30/23328786/nfl-waiver-wire-rules-2022-which-team-has-top-priority-claims-order What I said is right for most Fantasy Football waiver wires, but you are correct when it comes to the NFL. That's gonna be a big deal. Thanks!

I agree BUT I think once you successfully make a waiver claim, then you go to the back of the list. I dont think you stay at the top of the order every time? I googled to try to find this info, but was unable to find anything. Maybe I'm wrong. I hope so!

This is true, but i think once you make a single waiver claim, then you go to the end of the line, and the previous #2 is the new first up, when they make a claim they move behind us etc. So we can use this special power once, and I guess it would depend on when Washington gives up on him.

I think we will be going after Daron Payne in Free Agency at DT, so I hope we take Will Anderson if we have the choice between the two with our first round pick.

I think an extra 2024 first rounder is critical, because it gives us a shot at a high pick QB in 2024 if we need one, and it gives us leverage for Marvin Harrison Jr, if Fields plays well in 2023.

Interesting. I think it goes to show that you never know whether your first choice is really going to outplay your second choice. All things being equal you go with your first choice, but you dont overpay to keep it. You dont get tunnel vision. If people want to say that no one knew whether Trubisky or Mahomes would be better, then fine, dont pay a premium to double down on your bet. Take the guy that falls to you, cuz you really never know. And in truth, it's gonna be about how you coach them up and use them that matters anyway. Would Mahomes be Mahomes if he had been drafted here? Probably not.

YES. We have tried so many times over the years to build on the back end of something. Saving the best of something that wasnt very good to begin with. I was very enthused to hear Bears new President Williams and Poles agree that they want to build something sustainable, not just a flash in the pan. Based on the timeline of these guys, they wont be trading it all to try to win in 2023 either. Good. We will win our share, but we are building the right way. Finally.

we've truly had such bad leadership. glad weve cleared the deck. Now Poles needs to show his eye for talent evaluation.

amen

I remember when he missed a game for some unknown reason. Get the F outta here. Seriously, that is a guy they never should have drafted. They could have had Tremaine Edwards (he went #16) instead of Roquan (at #8) - I can understand thinking that Roquan was a little better maybe, but they were both considered excellent players, and if you KNEW Roquan was a head case, you had to get Edmunds instead if you wanted a LB. Might have even been able to trade down. Kinda like Trubisky and Mahomes. Damn I'm glad Pace is gone.

Yeah that's very interesting. I would say the cap space we cleared up was the biggest reason we did it, and even without that in your analysis, it still looks pretty damned good. Good job Poles. Also throw in Claypool. I still think that's gonna pay dividends in the long run. I think he needs some coaching. He seems very young. I said aloud to the TV at the end of the Raven's game, "Well Roquan you got your 8 tackles today (5 were assists) but you were in a playoff game and you didnt impact the game with a turnover or a critical stop right when you needed it." That's what $20M+ players are supposed to do. You're supposed to be an integral part of winning the game, not just playing well.

I think that's an iron lung LOL