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Right. Getsy talks about figuring out the players' strengths, and designing an offense to fit them. He spoke about how a playbook isnt really a set of plays, but an offensive approach. This is the anti-Nagy.

yes thank you, I agree. I forgot about Jaylon - youre right

6 blue chippers: Mack, Quinn, Roquan, Fields, Montgomery & Mooney?

I agree. The challenge will be to unify a vision between all of them. The upside is you're definitely not building an echo chamber. Lots of different points of view from different teams and traditions.

26 out of 32 teams have hired a black head coach or general manager in the past. So come on.

I dont think the NFL is racist. I think they would hire ANYONE if it meant theyd win more games. And the disgusting idea of tanking games is to get a better draft pick to win more games. If true, it deserves the harshest response, but in the end, these guys will do ANYTHING to win games. SO I dont believe that owners pass on coaches and general managers of color that they think would help them. The problem here, as alleged, is that the Giants had already decided to hire Daboll, and interviewed Flores just to satisfy the Rooney rule. And whats wrong with that? The purpose of the Rooney rule was to get more candidates of color interview experience and exposure to clubs. It wasnt to force anyone to make a hire on anything other than the belief that they would be best for the job. Im not against the Rooney rule per se, but it is the component of this that brings race into it. It is the corruption. Like I said, Im fine with it as long as clubs can still hire who they want. But lets not turn it on its head and call it disingenuous, and then blame the teams for that! Its the rule that creates the hypocritical issue. I dont believe there is a team that thinks "coach X would bring us to a Super Bowl, but we dont want them because of race" - thats ridiculous.

me too, but i wanted too much money LOL

lol Ive been called worse

Ahahaha! It SHOULD!

A couple points: His age is less the issue than the fact thqt he's been out of the loop for a while. It's not about being 73. If he was 48, and hadnt been in football since he was 35, that'd be a problem too. On the flip side, it is possible that a lot of the interviews are for the purpose of gathering information; which coaches and GMs want to work together, what a GMs philosophies are (which can help in predicting their behavior in the draft in the coming years), what they each think of our roster, what to do with Mack or Fields. There are lots of good reasons to interview people that you dont intend to hire. Theres also doing favors for friends and contacts, giving them the extra hype of an interview, or in some cases, experience with these kind of interviews. So I dont think we can assume based on their wide net that the Bears dont have a narrow short list theyve been holding the whole time.

Phillips and McCaskey think cute little ideas, like keeping Lovies defense, as if their precious input would help. Sort of like how Nagy never adjusted too. Let's hope the next guy tells them to stfu.

I think theres a decent amount of luck involved too. Everyone knows who the names are. We have favorites, and a few we want to avoid, but by and large, if you picked them out of a hat, youd probably have the same outcome - a decent candidate who needs to prove it. Hopefully Polian can avoid the few turds, and then the rest is how you play the hand, more than which cards you draw. So yeah, we can get this right without making a genius move, but we have to be lucky.

that all makes sense

does having the GM who has oversight over the coach share an agent with the coach present a conflict?

Im starting to think that Daboll might be an actual Belichick tree product that understood the whole thing and can replicate it. So many of Belichick's disciples turned out not to be able to work the magic, but this guy has. I think you hire him immediately. And why not take the GM too? Unless you want them not to be so cozy so the GM can hold him accountable. I think, since you never know, and theres risk in this, that you take the two Buffalo guys and ride with that. It's as good a plan as any without having a crystal ball. There's nothing there that McCaskey can see that would give him info to make a better decision. Maybe an equally good one, but that's not reason to walk from this. Do what it takes to wrap him up now. Wanna know how McCaskey can screw up? By continuing his ridiculous process and not grabbing the right guy when you can. Its like having a WR in the end zone wide open, and you're looking for a better WR to throw it to.

we could do a lot worse. Im down!

I agree, Harbaugh would be one to choose his own GM. And maybe that's what you have to allow to get a guy like that. Would McCaskey be OK with it? Maybe if Polian says it's OK?

he's pushing a lot of Indianapolis guys... And Andy Reid cares about his reputation too? I just think that we need a bit of luck here.

exactly my point. he is taking care of his guy, not worried about whats best for the Chicago Bears. And that's as it should be. But when Polian recommends his guys, isnt it the same thing?

that is exactly where we are. and Polian doesn't stick around to take the heat for how it works out. Let's hope that combination of vision and luck favors the Bears this time. If we can get a good GM in here, everything changes long term. But no one has the crystal ball to see the paths ahead, including Polian. After all Polian has done, he isn't going to be the GM, just help choose one. Are any of these guys the NEXT Bill Polian? I mean, Andy Reid is pretty damned good and he sold Nagy to the world.

yes. yes. yes. Also, I think we all know there are less than 25 names on the HC list, and less than 25 names on the GM list. Everyone knows the names. The question is which one to pick. The good news is that if you picked em out of a hat, youll get someone competent, and maybe get a really good one. So they could luck into it too. What the hell. This is what we're left with. Maybe they will accidentally make a good choice. Seriously. Shoot me.

They dont know what they are doing, and Bill Polian is hardly the guy to see the difference between a Nagy type, whos super modern offense is 2 generations (3 seasons) out of date, vs the new blood thats inventing the new thing. And obviously they are therefore also unable to see who is able to change with the times, and who will "be them" as everything around them burns" I LOVE the Bears, but I have to wonder what it is exactly that I love. Uniforms? Surely not the ownership. I have players I really like, but I dont know if I can keep following this organization decade after decade of this. I dont know how I would stop. But its a thought in my mind.

I think that was Olin's point - that they don't make honest respectful efforts to take advantage of the talent and enthusiasm they have in former players. And maybe all franchises are like that, i dunno. Bu i thinkt hat was Olin's point, not a personal one about just himself, but about how the organization is in general.

nice down there

NYC is awful right now. Nothing like it was 10 year ago. Dangerous and imploding.