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when you trade away first round picks you HAVE to go BPA. Pace (if hes the guy running the show next year) has a history of filling holes before the draft. Its prudent, although it makes us angry at signings like Dalton and Glennon, but it's the right thing to do. And it allows you to go BPA, which is critical in maximizing value when you dont have first rounders.

right on. I feel badly for the guy. But I feel badly for us too. We deserve a real team.

I totally agree that is his goal. I'm just saying he looks to be under a lot of pressure, and not handling it internally as well as he should want to for that audition. I think he cant keep his insecurity from bubbling up. It's a lot of pressure, and it's understandable. Not being insecure in this situation would require balls of steel. But he looks like he's cracking, and this isn't good for anyone. I didn't see the game tonight, but I read that Nagy blew up at a ref. This is getting too weird, and out of control, and it's a spectacular failure on the part of Phillips and McCaskey.

I dont think he's checked out as in he doesnt care. I think he is humiliated trying to look brave and strong while he is crumbling inside. Sort of like having to stand in your underwear in front of the entire school and recite the Gettysburg address. He just wants to disappear and be anywhere else.

exactly. I dont hate the guy, I feel bad for him. i think it would be merciful to end it now. But that doesnt mean I like him as head coach, I think hes a fake. I just think Matt Nagy the guy is probably really nice guy, the kind of guy youd like to live next door to. Whereas having Bill Parcells be your landlord would be terrible, but Id take that guy as a head coach any day. Anyway, Nagy has to stand there, humiliated, and you can see how uneasy it is making him. It is very difficult to watch how he cant settle his eyes, his body, his thoughts. Just let him go already.

I just watched this "press conference" and Nagy's body language is terrifying. If you saw this raccoon suffering in the road, you'd be a good guy and put it out of its misery. I know that the press conference was virtual, and without an audience to remind him he's being watched, he might have felt like he was on a phone call, and forget to control his body. So if not a guy cracking, at least an honest moment then. But this guy is so shifty, he keeps scratching his neck. His beard is getting longer. He keeps shifting his weight. His eyes are all over the place. He repeats "next man up" "focus on the positive" at one point he had to say "next coach up" in regards to the coordinators. Everyone including and especially Nagy feels the uncomfortable nature of the situation. He knows it's over, we know it's over, everyone knows it's over. Do the right thing McCaskeys, and make the move. It's just too weird right now, and it's not helping anything at all to wait.

understatement of the year.

I dont think it is a bad thing for a HC to call plays, I just think Nagy is awful at it.

I'm not sure how you draft a rookie #1 WR, especially with the 37th pick. I think we may well draft a WR there, but we will be looking to free agency for a #1 WR first. Unless we have a "building year" and then anything is possible. Ugh.

Exactly. When your team is full of bad players, you are constantly 3 and out, and losing time of possession. When your team throws for over 300 yards and you only get 10 points out of it that is 100% COACHING. When you are trying to lean on Grant as a #1 WR, that is a bad coaching decision.

if we went down this path, then now's the time to do it. The new GM needs time to get to know the situation, do their homework on the roster etc before they can really do the coaching hire the right way. Then again, you're probably gonna end up with one of the two guys being discussed, and fit the roster to them over the next few years anyway, so while the due dilligence might be extensive, the final decision probably isn't all that hard.

Or another scenario, you can fire them both now, and let the new GM have the advantage of week 17 and 18 interviews.

amen. plus, what if they HAD fired Nagy? So what? They are woefully over their heads and always have been.

I agree 100%, Im just saying these people are awful at it, at least most billionaire owners had to succeed at something to get that way before buying the team and meddling.

So does Andy Reid. And nothing happens on the Patriots that Belichick doesnt agree with too.

I agree. Fields knows they are clowns. He will wait it out, until either a better coach/GM/front office shows up, of he plays through his rookie deal and goes to a good team. Meanwhile, if this is true, it shows George meddling where he shouldnt. Whether you agree with the decision or not, you dont move forward by having a wrong coach who is forced into a few right moves by ownership. ANd thats the most positive way to view it, thats if you 100% agree with the decision. If you dont, its even worse. SELL THE TEAM.

the only problem with the "Head Coach just does the head coach stuff, and get a great OC" mindset, which I agree is logical, is that great OCs get snatched away as head coaches. If you want to hire a man to run your offense (or defense) for a long time, and you thibnk that man is one of the rare few that gives you an edge over the other professional coaches, then youve got to hire him as a head coach or you cant keep him. And this sets up the weird Head Coach as coordinator issue that we see through the league. it tends to work best when the HC is a tyrant and keeps control of things, and less well when the head coach is a "be you, were all teammates" kind of guy. Becasue how can you have a teammate OC and overrule him all the time? And anyway, regarding Nagy, he may be a professional, but he does not give your offense an edge, and so he is replaceable with any professional and you will get at least the same results. Of course we want better than that. I like the OC in Buffalo. Greg Roman is intriguing too.

yeah, he is leftover from the QB search. But the roster is pretty solid overall, injuries nothwithstanding. You can make arguments about wasted money, Trevathan comes to mind going into next year, but if you allow the guy his own process, and just judge the roster results, Pace is doing a pretty good job.

They sure are. Pace on the other hand is looking good for having both Dalton and Fields on the roster. A new owner is coming soon, and when better, than a year where the GM and coach's contracts are up. And maybe THAT is why they extended Pace and Nagy?

yes

I guess the doctors were saying there was some chance to avoid the surgery, and maybe it would respond to physical therapy, so theyd have him back more quickly than IR would allow?

Toub is definitely a leader of men. I suspect that GMs are hoping that a head coach will bring some coordinator magic with them. Theoretically, a head coach should run the team, and not be a coordinator, but the problem with that model is that if you have a guy you think is an offensive or defensive genius, someone is going to hire them away as a head coach. If your genius IS your head coach then you get to keep him as long as you like (or are willing to pay him). But yeah, for 99% of the all the coaches in the NFL, this isnt rocket science, and as I said in an earlier post, coordinator geniuses are rare, and usually they get figured out pretty quick anyway, so any competent coordinator can provide a professional product. So a real leader like Toub, could be an effective head coach even without any offensive or defense "magic" which Im saying doesnt really exist anyway, or not for long (excepting Belichick). Of course by this argument, Nagy might be a good head coach too, if he focuses on that aspect and not trying to out trick 100 years of football offense. We've all seen this before. Trestman, Shoop, Crowton - they all had special sauce. In some cases it never worked. But even in the best cases, like Sean McVey, who invented a wrinkle that totally confused the NFL for about 10 months, then the Ravens came in and totally shut it down, and within a couple weeks,. the whole league figured out how to beat it. Same with Lovie. The Tampa Two was dominant for a while, but then the league figured it out. So if there is no such thing as a consistent genius coordinator who outperforms the league year in and year out, then maybe the best thing is to forget that dream, and get a head coach who can lead men. And that is a good argument for Toub.

I think you always know your own team best. We see assistants on other teams and think "THERE's a guy" and while we know the downsides of our guys, because we are so familiar with them, often all we know of the other guys are the highlight clips etc. I think most of them on the league are competent, meaning they are professionals. I suspect there are hundreds more people just as qualified who arent coaching in the NFL. The trick is to find the ones that are special, the ones who make a different and get you wins. And that is a VERY short list indeed, and those guys are almost never available. So you try to find someone you think MIGHT have promise to become one of those guys. ANd if they dont, you fire them and do it again. And all the while the odds are low that you will find Bill Belichick. So yeah, DeFilippo and Desai are on that list, because all the other guys on the list are competent but unspectacular too.

interesting. I still think Jenkins will play Left Guard this year, allowing Whitehair to move to center.

My guess is he goes to LG, and Whitehair moves to Center.