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No I get it - you dont want to blow up something that's working. But I think we will see a difference between Fields' improvement, and rhythm and gameplanning. I dont think we are going to win 11 games this season. If we do, I'm open to looking at how that happened of course. But if we are 9-8 and Fields is doing it on broken plays, while the regular offense is out of sync, then Nagy HAS to go. Put it this way - Fields is not Nagy, so if Fields himself is growing, that's not a reason to keep Nagy. Nagy has to show something on his own too.

I agree, but it shouldnt be.

well said. what has Nagy ever done? show me the bright spot? I understand why Pace took a risk on him. But now we know who he is. He should have been fired in the middle of last year. And to those who might disagree. Nagy doesnt have to be the worst coach that ever lived to deserve to be fired. It is just clear he is not bringing any large advantage to the table, and THAT is the job of a head coach. If you're just mediocre, and that's OK, that's like saying your goal is 9-8 and possibly a wild card round loss. That is no goal.

and had success doing it! Nagy did NOT have success calling plays in KC, his biggest criticisms? Not getting into a rhythm, and abandoning the run game - cost them an early playoff exit, and they won the superbowl the next year.

I dont blame Pace for taking a shot on Nagy. There are two ways to get a winning coach: You either get a guy who has won before, but has been fired for some reason, or you take a shot on an up and coming coordinator, and hope he becomes a great head coach. Taking a shot on Nagy was SMART. It was a good bet. But now we know it didnt pay off. Doubling down when you've already lost a bet is dumb. They should have fired him in the middle of last season.

I was saying that to the TV at the time. Also, did you guys notice that GB put that Nagy goal line shovel pass play in to thumb their cheesy noses at us?

It's hard to say. Rodgers didn't even need any competitive sparks to win. If he'd been down 5 with 2 minutes to go, do you doubt he would have dug deeper and tried to win? I think the fact that Rodgers only needs 195 yards to beat us is the more compelling way to look at this. We showed some flashes, but we are far from putting together a complete game, win or lose.

yup me too

I think youre right AZ, makes sense.

yeah, so maybe its not to easy to outguess Pace LOL

Ive been looking all over for info on Borom too - and nothing but crickets.

they might be extending him? he's played well. And they might be making room for a trade?

At the time, I wanted Tremaine Edmunds over Smith. Pace beat me on that one.

agree with both.

News flash - everyone is human. If you keep cancelling everyone for being human, then we are ALL under fire. And that is what this is about. Creating the conditions to blackmail everyone. No one will feel comfortable to criticize anything that might happen when they know they have something in an email they shouldnt have said - and that's EVERYONE. It's disgusting, and much more offensive than any private comments he made. Intention is everything. Hateful people could say good morning in a way that sucks, and people who arent hateful should be able to speak freely without being cancelled. But everyone is scared. For now anyway.

I think Nagy was part of the playcalling today. At times it lacked rhythm. I think Nagy thinks being un predictable on offense is the way to call plays, but i dont agree. i think you want to be somewhat predictable, so that you can calls plays off of those expectations to set up play action, draws, screens etc. Defenses want to be unpredictable. Offenses should want to be effective, even when you know the run up the gut is coming, and tricky in calling plays off of that rhtyhm, but not simply unpredictable. We won, but it didnt look great.

perfect.

100%

Looking at the tape from AZ link above (its the bottom one) we got a steal. He is fast as hell. Helps our return game, and makes Herbert a full time RB with monty out. You can probably run a few plays like you'll run with Cohen with him too.

yes Fields can play. It's up to the coaching and talent they put around him (cough OL) going forward, but whatever happens with Fields, he himself can play.

Clearly this is not Nagy calling plays. It couldnt be more obvious.

thats second down lol

and Nagy, having sent all four of his body guards out on errands, like fetching coffee or snacks, is left completely unprotected. It does no even occur to Nagy to move to the left or the right, and he gets it square in the nuts. "I have to find out the whys" he was later quoted as saying, albeit it several octaves up.

disagree, hes a great back who finishes his runs hard.

probably. maybe. but we have no evidence they arent caught up in it either. Of course I will be rooting for Lazor to succeed. But i wont be shocked if he doesn't.