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it depends on the timetable for the rebuild. you dont want to become pace and pick not-as-great players in order to fill a roster quickly. if there is a superstar that can be the core of your team available, you pick him, and if that means limping along at another position with a free agent until you can draft again next year, thats certainly not wrong either. it all depends how the board falls at the time.

salary goes with the player, and disappears if you cut or void him. in this case, the bears agreed to pay most of his remaining salary this year, but thats it. guaranteed upfront money is spread over the life of the deal unless you cut or trade him, then the team that paid that money has to eat it all that year (or over two years if post june 1st designation) basically, the bears pay Quinn thru this year, take an extra cap hit this year to remove him from their books entirely, and are off the hook for any more money going forward, and receive a 4th rounder in return.

Yes. So far poles has been executing the smart plan. But now he has to spend that money on players. He hasnt proven much yet, but he made some good draft choices. I cant wait to see how his talent evaluation skills play into all of this.

$125 Million in cap room right now. 1 x 1st round pick, 1 x 2nd round pick, 1 x 3rd round pick, 2 x 4th round picks, 1 x 5th round pick and 1 x 7th round pick so far.

it would have been closer to that if we'd traded him before the season started. And the Eagles are looking like they are going deep into the playoff this year, so it'll be a late 4th. But for a guy we weren't going to re-sign, this is the right move, and the 4th is a welcome pick. Someone offer a 1st and a 3rd for Roquan, and I'll throw in a VHS copy of the 85 Superbowl

It's hard to say if the Bears will keep him. We might be tempted to franchise tag him, but his hold out this past year makes that seem inherently messy. Perhaps that was a big part of why he did it. I suspect Roquan won't be on the 2024 Bears team. We have lots of money now, but we need more high draft picks. If we got a first and something else for Roquan, Id take it. Also, this trade probably makes our 2023 picks a little higher up - maybe an extra loss or two without Quinn up front.

all we have to do is a win a few more games.

Or Nagy and the scouts did, and he allowed it. The whole thing seemed out of control - it's hard to say who was in control, and that alone is a failure at GM. In a way, it's not Nagy's fault he's not a good coach. If Pace had chosen a 10 year old child to be head coach it wouldnt be the child's fault. It would be Pace's. And yet you never really saw him lead, he was always showing togetherness with everyone. Seriously, if someone Im thinking of hiring to be an NFL head coach tells me that he writes "Be You" on his call sheet to remember something, (I dont know what), Id show him the door immediately. And on that same thought, McCaskey and Phillips allowed it, and allowed them to spend future value to try to hide their ineptitude. If its Pace's fault, then it's McCaskey and Phillips' fault. Gosh it's been a long time since we were a professional football team.

Pace was a flexible and loyal team player, which is awesome at most positions, but not at GM, especially when you have a fraud as head coach who needs firing and reigning in, not enabling! Add in a consistent multi year threat from ownership that you're about to lose your job each year, plus ownership also allowing you to spend future salary cap and draft capital in inefficient ways to try to save your job and you get a disaster that takes several years to dig out of. Frankly, we're lucky that Poles and Flus wanted this job. We dont know yet if Poles will have the golden eye for talent in the draft. So far he's done very well. The coach is doing an excellent job installing a culture, and preparing his team to play hard and grow. It all looks really good on paper right now, and last night was tangible proof of where this is headed. Nothings for sure yet, but we are definitely making progress.

I think it depends on how much recent-past-averaging they use for each algorithm. if the question is "who are the Bears right at the moment last night's game ended" then yes, 28 is a joke. But if the question is "rank these teams based on recent performances, weighting the last 3 games most heavily" then 28 might still be right. But hopefully, not for long. We all get upset that the media dumps on us, but I think the media is just dumb and amplifies whatever common wisdom is. If youre not that good, then youre terrible, if youre pretty good, then youre amazing etc. The Bears get the short stick on that because weve been on the bad side of the middle. But if we start winning, the media will be al to happy to crown us the next new thing. So thats OK, the media is silly, but we earn our own way - we just have to strong a bunch of these performances together.

absolutely. It shows where we are headed, but we still dont have the horses to beat the good teams yet. But this shows that we will once we improve the roster around Fields.

Ha! Eat THAT Rodgers!

It really shows how much of a team game football is. A great player looks bad on another team, and vice versa. until you have enough pieces in place, it's hard for anyone to look too good. And that comes back to the trouble of evaluating Fields with this team around him. Another draft and $100 Million in cap space should help!

lol totally. I guess they just cant win without Getsy!

amen!

For better or worse, the Rams know Quinn well and chose him to fit their system before.

yes you're right about that! I meant 2023 and 2024. I think the June first thing means that 4.2 mil goes this year and then another 4.2 mil (or whatever) goes against our cap next year. Maybe I have this wrong, but my current understanding is that all the guaranteed money goes against our cap and the new team only pays salary and signing bonuses going forward, and that's 14 Mil and 13 Mil for 2023 and 2024? I totally encourage you to prove me wrong, because if so I will learn something, and I am very open to that!

Its not that high, wed have to eat the guaranteed portion, so his cap figure for the team trading for him would only be 14 Million and 13 Million for the next two years. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/chicago-bears/robert-quinn-7729/

my guess is someone will realize that he is the only threat on our DL, and hes getting all the double teams etc - and if they have other threats, then Quinn will be better. Also, they wont have pay the 17 million, because a good chunk of that is guaranteed money that we will have to eat. The big question is whether more than one teams wants him bad enough to start an auction.

Im all for it. Id take a first and something else for Roquan too.

Hero-ball is the path to ruin. I totally agree.

totally, no way the Bears are near the top of the league in pass protection. That alone should disqualify any and all information from that site whichever one it is. yup

I read in the comments they grade whether a blocker has their hands on the defender for 2.5 seconds. That might measure whether someone swims around you or not, but it doesnt measure all the times our guys got bullrushed up the middle and pushed into Fields. These PFF type measurements are the opposite of information - they actually cause more confusion than understanding.

what a ridiculous stat! First off, we can all see with our eyes that the Bears OL does not have a "strong pass block win rate" and surely not the 3rd or 4th best in the league I mean come on, that's insane. Secondly, if a QB is holding the ball too long, that often means receivers arent open on those plays, so you cant say it's "mostly on him" Id like to offer a different analysis - the OL is like a revolving door, and the reason that Fields' sacks come later than the average is because he is mobile and tries to escape, which extends the play. But seriously, Seth Walder is a moron if he truly thinks this.

Tag and trade!