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yes it has

yes. although if you stagger them you can develop them more I think. But basically i was saying its not SO crazy and that with a year's offset it's basically what some teams routinely do. I want Mond

I like Mond, and I like trading down to get him later in the first rather than trading up to get him. I like that the OT he took is a LT, even if he is slotted to play RT this year. I also notice that he took 2 QBs and 2 WRs, something else I see us discussing. This mock has a lot of the elements we've been discussing on this board. Pretty cool.

LOL that is perfect.

I think that if we admit that there is a lot of fog around which players will pan out int he NFL, then the shotgun approach at a position makes a lot of sense. Of course it costs two picks instead of one, but so does trading up for a more sure single bet. It's kind of like the math between kicking an extra point or going for 2. If you convert 95% of your kicks, and only 60% of your two point tries, then you should go for two every time. Sure it takes you more tries on average to convert, but the payoff over time is bigger when you do. Similarly, you can package multiple picks to move up, or you can spend those multiple picks multiple players at the same position to improve your chances. Would you rather have Trey Lance, or Kellen Mond and Davis Mills? What if the price was the same? Not to mention that if both play well, you can trade one later for more than you spent to get him. I suppose the modified version of this is to draft QBs in years you don't need one. You shouldn't need 2 in the same year, but look at what the Packers and New England have done, they took QBs when they didn't need them, and then traded them for future picks, while assuring that their QB position would be strong. Pace told us he would draft a QB "every year" and he surely hasn't done anything like that. If QB is important enough to trade up for, then it is important enough to use a 3rd or 4th round pick on every other year or so. Jason's double QB draft was shocking and eye opening, but if you spread it over two years it's absolutely something good teams do all the time. And in the position we are in now, it'd be novel, but I wouldn't hate it.

I like Mond a lot too. Take an OT first, then trade up into the bottom of the first for Mond - good plan.

Looking at a bunch of mock drafts, it looks like #8 would be for Trey Lance. Trey Lance who has measurables, but only played 18 games for a school that isnt traditionally a football powerhouse. Pace cant be that dumb can he? It fits the pattern so closely. Then again, whoever wrote the article is probably just projecting from the existing pattern, so it's circular logic.

when I was looking at this thread, I started wondering what else besides a QB could be found at #8, and Slater is one of the strong possibilities. Now you all know I want an OLT really bad, but I don't know if I would pay 2 firsts and a 3rd for one...

I have to agree, unless someone falls, or there is a non QB we are coveting, trading up for 8, even if the price is fair isn't a great idea. Then again, if they take a "second tier QB", and he turns into the best NFL QB ever, we will all be saying it was a genius move. But in general, I do think 8 is too late to get the blue chipper QBs and too early to reach into the next group of QBs.

If the right player is there, thats not such a steep price to pay for the move up in the abstract.

OK, so its good to see the team wants to attend, and that portends well. Of course it cant be both ways, if attending means they are a team, then not attending would have meant that they were less of one.

oh i totally agree with that.

good point.

TOtal conviction that they are making the move they want to make, sure. Total conviction that each player will pan out? I think they all know there are gambles in the draft, and no GM is SURE every 7th round pick they make is going to make the roster.

LOL @ #7! this all sounds right. add Mac Jones too to #1?

totally agree. Theyll sign him to a long term deal. Remember all this drafting and trading etc, in the end is to get highly talented players at key positions, and when you do, you DO have to pay them what they are worth, and if they are that good, you are HAPPY to do it.

agree 100%

I agree Pace has been mixed. I dont hate him, but he did whiff on Floyd, Kevin White and Trubisky, and miss on some free agents too, but the biggest indictment to me is that he chose Nagy, and also failed to replace Leno for so long.

yeah, it's a rare OL that is plug and play from day one at OLT. You almost always see people sit and go to the weight room, or start at guard or right tackle before sliding over when then have a feel for the NFL. Then again, Leno ain't so great either.

I'm hoping Leno is a backup by halfway through the season - i think that he is probably the OLT starter opening day. Grrrr.

Interesting point about Trevathan. I hadnt thought about him with all the other issues weve been having. Miller seems obvious.

maybe they offer this years first and next years, and throw in Miller to get back a 4th? Thats a small twist on an idea of packaging a 6th to get a 4th I read on here too (but cant find right now to correctly attribute the idea to - who was is?)

I agree with this. As much as I want to see Leno gone, it will be hard to plug in a rookie to start on day 1 from a pick at #20, and even harder with the shortened time for work. All the more reason this should have been addressed last year. But it is going to be a process.

I like the general idea. The June first Leno is nice too Trading up into the 1st round after a first round pick has already been made to snag a QB, and maybe even reach a bit for him, because you get the 5th year option seems possible. Id love it to be an OT, especially on the left side. But if it was Jenkins anchoring a running game, that wouldnt be so bad. A blue chip Edge player might be too attractive to pass up at #20 too, even though we aren't talking about it much (I see you added one at #204, so you're thinking that too). However it shakes out, I hope we get a QB, and he turns out to be a good player for us.

Id love to see it. I am a lot more mad at Nagy than I am at Pace. If Pace does something about the OL, and LT in specific, then my biggest complaints are just that he picked Trubisky and Nagy. I havent been so upset about the rest. Now Nagy I am 100% in the "fire him" camp. I wont pretend he is terrible if he turns out great, but I am all in on saying that wont happen. If we do draft a young QB I will be rooting for that guy to do well, just as I want to see Dalton succeed too.