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yup, and this is why I love football so much. There is no sport that is more of a team game. Every part affects every other part. It's so cool.

Interesting stuff. Nothing would make me happier than to have Nagy get one of these kids, and then coach him into a superstar, proving that his system works and it was all Trubisky (and Leno lol) I would happily eat a ton of crow if that happens.

yup, if you can successfully challenge deep, it opens up the run, and takes pressure off of Dalton.

yup thats exactly what this is. Pace does a good job of signing vets to fill need so he can be flexible during the draft. Hes small but speedy - maybe he replaces Patterson as a returner?

It doesnt sound like a team looking for every edge to win to save their coaches job.

I agree that this is between the NFLPA and the NFL first and foremost. Then again, tell me a Bill Parcells coached team would be one of the first to declare...

yeah but our guys were one of the first. they werent worried about how it might look, or who might be mad. "I dunno, if we make coach Nagy mad he might take away our disco dance parties." I hope our next coach is a SOB.

So the Bears are one fo the first teams to have players vote to skip voluntary workouts. Tell me Nagy has this locker room, and these guys will give it all to win. This team is past its expiration date.

because they are worried someone else will get him, which is WHY this story exists, to give the illusion that other teams will snatch Miller up and the only way to secure him for the Ravens is a trade. And it wont work. They might make a trade, but it wont be because this article scared them into it LOL

nice draft, and didnt even need any tradedowns!

I totally understand you now, and the basis of our previous miscommunication. If you like, you dont need to keep adding the caveats. I have come to understand that we basically agree LOL In fact the only way we disagreed before was that while I thought Nagy and Pace were bad at their jobs, I didnt think Pace and Nagy were as bad/dumb as you did, and boy was I wrong.

yes that is a good move.

this does sound like a real scenario. If it was accompanied by a trade down to picks 30 to 32, and take Mond with the 5 year option, while picking up an extra pick(s) it would seem like a good move. Then again, if he could get an OT at #20 and still get Mond, that would be better, even if it means no 5th year option - and from the "win now to save your job" point of view, that 5th year is probably worth less to Pace and Nagy than an OT - or SHOULD be. I lost an infamous bet last year betting that Pace and Nagy would understnad they have OT needs, and apparently they didnt see it, and it cost us last year.

I dunno if anyone can ruin a 50/50 shot. I agree that Pace does not give us a competitive edge in QB insight. And of course that is his job - to better our odds. But even as he is, 50/50 is still 50/50...

I hear ya, and I dont trust Pace to read the tea leaves on these guys at all. That said, it seems like top 15 QBs are about 50/50 anyway, so the odds Pace blows it are about as good as him hitting a home run. So from that point of view, it might not be as big a disaster as you think to trade up. Then again, this is hardly a ringing endorsement of Pace is it?

right,. the reason you take a flyer on a young up and coming coordinator as a head coach is not because you KNOW theyll be a decent a coach, but because you hope they will be a special one. And similarly, once you know they arent special, theres no reason to keep them, even if theyre OK.

Id love to see this draft. I dont think the trade down scenarios the game provides are often that easy to accomplish in reality, but I think everyone would have to say that was an amazing draft if a GM actually pulled it off.

QB, OT, OT, EDGE, CB

of course that is a video game draft, but if you managed to actually do that, it'd be a damn good draft.

I absolutely agree. If they choose well, or stumble into a good pick, that will be great. If they miss again, we will be hamstrung by their decision for several years. I dont understand why we dont have a new GM making that decision. That said, hitting on a good QB in the first 15 picks is 50/50, so Pace could accidentally pick an amazing QB just as easily as a bad one, so maybe it's OK. but he does not provide any competitive edge, and of course that is the only thing a GM is supposed to do.

this is a QBs game and a QBs league now.

lol well i DID say that. So they might KNOW, but still be wrong

exactly. they just chose the wrong one(s).

ah yeah, mI dont mean they KNOW how any of the QBs will pan out. Im saying they KNOW they want to draft one, and give him the keys to the offense, so they KNOW Darnold is trade-able. You are absolutely right that no one KNOWS if a QB will pan out. That's for sure.

I think that it isnt so much a negative on Darnold as it is that they KNOW they want a QB @ #2, and that guy is going to be awesome. So why not get the picks now as you rebuild?