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So then why didn't Pace play that card during the offseason? Count that as another BIG mistake.

as a coach, how do you get the performance you got from Herbert, and still not manage more than 3 points? It's not like Nagy has the answers and the players are failing him. Herbert had one great run after another, but once again, Nagy failed to create a rhythm out of the running game, and covert it into points. It doesn't take an expert to see this train wreck now.

I have a theory that Pace sees firing Nagy as disloyal - and that is absolute malpractice, and will result in Pace being fired as well. Unless the people above Pace have the same problem.

If youre going to fire Pace next year, why saddle the new GM with a coach he didnt pick? And potential coaches know this. So unless you promote from within (Pettine) firing Nagy and keeping Pace right now would mean Pace wouldnt have a chance at the top candidates for head coach. This failure of leadership happens above Pace, and should have fired them both last year, and really needs to fire them both this year, at whatever the most advantageous time for getting the best replacements are.

how do you get 100 yards rushing and only 3 points? What an indictment of Nagy.

And now we hear that Fields' interception was a result of someone telling him in his headset that they could catch the Bucs with 12 on the field. Isn't that just the Nagy era? Shot in the foot being too cute, meanwhile not actually PLAYING FOOTBALL.

The lack of coverage on the first punt - coaching When your running game is on FIRE and you still cant put up more than 3 points. - coaching When they are blitzing your young QB hard and rather than leaving in TEs to protect him, you ask him to find hot reads among 5 players? - coaching When some leaves in some TEs for a couple plays and suddenly the passing game looks good, but then you never go back to it again - coaching When the defense quits and wont sell out their body because the offense cant score points or hold the ball - coaching. When ANOTHER of your players takes a swing at an opposing player AGAIN - coaching. Show me one thing Nagy does that helps this team. Tell me why he would be better than a bar of soap. Pace doesnt have the guts to shoot his babies when they go bad. And that's the essence of his job. So he goes down with the ship. Fine. His choice. He will be remembered as nice and loyal. There will be no Super Bowls for him. He had no business being GM if he couldnt do the hard work of handling or firing Nagy. He was a pussy. Didnt want people to be mad at him. Fine. Then you get fired. Unless the next level up has the same problem... Grrr.

absolutely.

no doubt if youre going to fire Pace, you let the next GM pick the next coach.

ahahahahaa

if you're looking to keep the current coaches but lose Nagy, then Pettine would be the logical choice for head coach. No one has to leave their current positions, and you get a guy who has done it before.

No I get it - you dont want to blow up something that's working. But I think we will see a difference between Fields' improvement, and rhythm and gameplanning. I dont think we are going to win 11 games this season. If we do, I'm open to looking at how that happened of course. But if we are 9-8 and Fields is doing it on broken plays, while the regular offense is out of sync, then Nagy HAS to go. Put it this way - Fields is not Nagy, so if Fields himself is growing, that's not a reason to keep Nagy. Nagy has to show something on his own too.

I agree, but it shouldnt be.

well said. what has Nagy ever done? show me the bright spot? I understand why Pace took a risk on him. But now we know who he is. He should have been fired in the middle of last year. And to those who might disagree. Nagy doesnt have to be the worst coach that ever lived to deserve to be fired. It is just clear he is not bringing any large advantage to the table, and THAT is the job of a head coach. If you're just mediocre, and that's OK, that's like saying your goal is 9-8 and possibly a wild card round loss. That is no goal.

and had success doing it! Nagy did NOT have success calling plays in KC, his biggest criticisms? Not getting into a rhythm, and abandoning the run game - cost them an early playoff exit, and they won the superbowl the next year.

I dont blame Pace for taking a shot on Nagy. There are two ways to get a winning coach: You either get a guy who has won before, but has been fired for some reason, or you take a shot on an up and coming coordinator, and hope he becomes a great head coach. Taking a shot on Nagy was SMART. It was a good bet. But now we know it didnt pay off. Doubling down when you've already lost a bet is dumb. They should have fired him in the middle of last season.

I was saying that to the TV at the time. Also, did you guys notice that GB put that Nagy goal line shovel pass play in to thumb their cheesy noses at us?

It's hard to say. Rodgers didn't even need any competitive sparks to win. If he'd been down 5 with 2 minutes to go, do you doubt he would have dug deeper and tried to win? I think the fact that Rodgers only needs 195 yards to beat us is the more compelling way to look at this. We showed some flashes, but we are far from putting together a complete game, win or lose.

yup me too

I think youre right AZ, makes sense.

yeah, so maybe its not to easy to outguess Pace LOL

Ive been looking all over for info on Borom too - and nothing but crickets.

they might be extending him? he's played well. And they might be making room for a trade?

At the time, I wanted Tremaine Edmunds over Smith. Pace beat me on that one.