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they werent gonna win a superbowl either.

maybe we should all agree to become Chiefs fans or something. Seriously, at this point what am I still rooting for? The uniform? Its cant still be 1985...

Yes, if you're going to fire Pace, you have to FINALLY remove Ted from his role too. HE is the common variable. He's had his fun. Decades of it. And the results are clear. Enough.

right. no coaching, and no ability to develop. Also, having just watched the last 20 minutes of the Lions game. Fire Nagy today.

we can shoot the messenger all we like, but Trubisky is not a good QB, and part of his problem is mechanics, which is something anyone of any talent level could fix with discipline and concentration. Similarly, no matter how good or bad Leno is, if he is trying to block the wrong guy, it doesnt matter, and even pee wee football players can be taught how to figure out who theyre supposed to be blocking. This all comes down either to drafting people without the mental abilities to learn how to play football or epic failure of coaching. Or Both.

In the example above, Trubisky had a clean pocket.

Yes! Let Vic run the team and the defense, and he will bring in an OC who runs the ball. I dont want a Jetsons futuristic offense.

I think that any guaranteed money (signing bonus etc which is a good percentage of these high priced players' contracts) becomes due on the first teams cap in the year that the player is traded. Salary goes to the nes team, but these huge guarantees stay with the team that signed them.

Holy hell. That stat encapsulates what we've all been feeling, but couldn't quite express with the strings of wins here and there.

I dont know if Pace will be fired or not. Im 50/50 on that. If someone better is available, then I am all for it. But the rest have to go NOW no matter what. if the decision is made already, and they are waiting for the season to be over, then so be it. But whoever makes the decision, Pace or the McCaskeys, if they don't already know that Nagy is gone after this year, then they don't deserve our attention.

yes

wisdom

We should have hired an offensive genius instead of... oh.

I am not sure they havent already been castrated tho.

Howard was cut today, so you can have him if you really want him.

Imagine how much further along wed be if we had fired Nagy last year - and maybe even Pace...

good point - you dont win with trickery alone - at some point you just have to block the person in front of you. and when Pros do that, they average 3 yards a carry. You work to get that to 4 or 5, but any professional team ought to be able to get 3, and we dont.

True. The one good thing that Pace has done is to put our defense into a Parcells mode, with Parcells tree guys. At the very least that means if you bring in another Parcells guy, you dont need to redo your defensive tackles etc. As for the offense, I think Nagy put a premium on light mobile offensive lineman - they can pull and do all the fancy T formation stuff he likes, but at what cost? They cant open a hole, they dont hold pass blocks, and apparently they dont even know who their assignment is. We've had two of the best OL coaches in the game and Charles Leno still doesnt know who to hit. And therefore Pace doesnt know who to draft, or Nagy is hamstringing his choices. Bring in the next guy but make him also a Parcells tree guy, and we will be OK. Coach or Coach AND GM, as long as they play a 3-4 and have the Parcells philosophies in players, we can keep some of the cultural gains.

The offensive line is a fire-able offense for Pace, but what we cant know is how much Nagy had sway over these decisions. You see how Pace did on Defense, and you wonder if Pace was serving his head offensive coach's offensive desires, or whether he is a meathead too.

yup - thats the usual plan.

for sure. You never force a GM to keep a coach. I suppose you might have a deal where the new GM keeps the coach for ONE YEAR while they take the time to find the replacement. That certainly does happen with scouting departments, but any new GM hire has to know he has the right to hire his coach.

Im 50/50 on firing Pace, but you make a lot of good points.

I am 100% on firing Nagy, I am 50/50 on Pace, because I think Pace was trying to get the kind of players that Nagy wants. It may be that Nagy wants fast mobile offensive linemen, and they just dont get the job done unless they are higher picks. I think that Nagy has less to do with the defense, and Pace has been pretty good on that side of the ball. I can see the argument either way on Pace, I wont cry if he is fired, I wont cry if he is kept. But Nagy HAS to go.

If you cut Leno, you gain 6 million in projected cap space - even more if you do it as a June 1st cut and spread the hit over 2 years. Here's a great breakdown of the options. https://overthecap.com/calculator/chicago-bears/

so someone else needs to call the plays. someone else needs to do the clock management. someone else needs to instill discipline so we dont have as many penalties, and people know their assignments. So what does this guy DO that's helpful? Fire Nagy.