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sounds about right. anyway I'm sure we agree, if you can rush the QB, it's OK if you're not the best playing zone in the flat. Quinn is a major addition to this defense for sure.

totally. like I said above, about half the time they will be in nickel, and Quinn can have his hand in the dirt and just rush the passer like a regular 4-3 DE. But on base defense downs, Quinn will have other responsibilities too, so that might be somewhere he could struggle. But I'd rather have a guy who brings a ton of pass rush and struggles a bit against screens and in space than the opposite (Floyd).

yeah but in a 3-4 if Quinn and Mack both rush, then thats a blitz basically, and youre down a man in coverage.

I just read this article, and it makes an interesting point. Quinn played DE, and OLB will be new to him. I expect that will show most on keeping contain and playing the screen, stuff like that. But we brought him here to rush the quarterback, and Roquan has his back on that side too. And all of this only matters in base defense. We're in nickel about half the time anyway, and he will play four-man-front DE in that formation anyway. Im very optimistic about our front 7. Who do you double team? It's gonna be fearsome. https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2020/6/18/21296170/chicago-bears-chuck-pagano-robert-quinn-3-4-defense

He is a hothead. Remember when he hit a teammate with his helmet? Thats what this is.

Kwit has all the heart, but he is a step too slow for the NFL. That's why they went with Trevathan. Also, I think there is a good chance we may have one of the best linebacking groups in the history of football. They remind me (on paper) of the 80s Saints. Add in Hicks, Goldman and Nichols, and this could be one of the best front 7 ever. And with EJack and Fuller behind em, this defense could be ferocious. But thats all on paper of course. Just like Montgomery looks to be ready for a 1200+ yard season, but Nagy has to hand him the ball, and the OL has to open holes for him.

so much crazy, and a shocking lack of understanding of basic issues like the salary cap too. For example all the articles about the possibility of trading Mack. I mean, not only is it a really dumb idea, but they dont even consider what the cap hit would be. I guess anyone with an audience can say anything and it sounds authoritative.

agree

I dunno if some of them overlap and share the same sack, but yes, I think it will be very difficult to block everyone on our DL. If we had this defense and John Fox running the ball 70% of the time we'd sure win a lot of games. If Nagy can put up points with a high powwered offense, we are a possible SB contender, but I'll need to see it on the field before I actually believe anything like that. But the defense? Hell yes it will be nasty.

Stinger, I TOTALLY agree the roster is much better! And I think the defense has the possibility to be the best in the NFL. I wasnt rebutting you so much as expanding on what you said. Quinn is a really important piece. Nasty front indeed, with Fuller and Ejack behind them. Look out.

IF we can protect the QB, and IF we call a balanced game plan, and dont abandon the run, we do seem to have the talent to be a playoff contender. But many years the Yankees outspend the rest of MLB, and still fail to create a "team" so, we'll see. I hope they do come together, but after all we've been through, I'll believe it when I see it. If the OL still cant open holes or protect the QB the rest wont matter.

good sleuthing Pix!!

All true Ashkum, and I am rooting for him, and wont be surprised to see him ascend.

agree, agree, agree. Additionally, some all time great defenders were angry, chaotic and destruction oriented. If he takes it out on his opponent on the field, great. If he takes it out on a woman or a sportscar, much less great.

well I dont need my players to be saints. In fact, defensive players with an edge are often a good thing

He is a future star. Heck hes a star right now, and we may just not fully realize it yet. I still wish I knew what happened last year, but with all luck, we will never know or hear of it again.

I feel like not being tough goes along with not running the ball.

This is the flip side of club dub too. If you want your players to like you too much, youve lost some power.

interesting. in the article Nagy says: "“That can be in a meeting, if we say guys can’t have phones in a meeting, it means they don’t have phones in a meeting,” Nagy said. “It doesn’t mean in Week 8 they start bringing them in. It means they never have them in the meeting. If they show up 9:00 or 9:01, they’re walking in as I’m walking in—no, get there early. It’s just a lot of different things." So I think I, and many others, were right that Nagy was way too permissive last year, and maybe now with his back against the wall, he will build a tougher team. I would like nothing more than to be discussing how Nagy learned and became and amazing coach for us, this time next year.

that could well be true. Nagy gets next year to prove us wrong, or grow and prove us wrong, and I sure hope he does, but I think theres a good chance you are right.

no doubt.

I was never a fan of this guy, and what he did to the Bears, but of course I am not happy that he died. RIP M McC. https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2020/5/16/21261255/bears-michael-mccaskey-die-age-76-cancer-chairman-george-s-halas-ceo-president-george-virginia-ed

he's been a consistent Pro Bowler - they just couldnt afford him, and took a rookie to replace him. If we can swing it, he should be a major addition to our running game.

totally agree

oh no doubt. Just because I have deep psychological issues about Leno doesnt mean that I think the rest of the line is good! lol We need to be able to move people in the running game. And we need to call running plays. Ifedi will already be an upgrade, and if we can land Warford, that would help a lot too. Leno's problems dont make those positions any better last year for sure. They need help in their own right. ANd Im glad Pace is making those moves. But I really dont see how any of it matters if Leno plays like he did last year. I am still in disbelief that it hasnt been addressed in a strong way (unless they have more faith in Spriggs than I do). I do apologize for being a broken record about it, but sheesh.