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Nagy might have had some bad breaks, but there is more than enough data on him now to prove he is not a world beating offensive innovator. He might be decent, and got some bad breaks. So what? We are looking to to a risk on a guy hoping he becomes dominant. There are no sure thing coaches waiting to be hired. So you take a chance on a guy and hope he turns out to be a dominant winner. We know enough to know that isn't Nagy. We're not looking to hire guys that can promise us 9-8 or 10-7 and an early playoff loss. If that's what you draw, then you need to fold that hand and play another. Decent is not the goal. Nagy is not dominant. He argues that with a few different breaks he might be decent. So what? The best upside of Nagy isnt good enough. And we arent even seeing that. He is not the guy.

our talent at WR is actually pretty good. the problem is for each route, there are defenses that leave you wide open, and there are defenses that have you covered tight. Our play calling and game planning is getting beaten badly, that's why no one is open. We are the worst team ever at playing rock, paper, scissors. The good news is that this job should look very attractive to coaches and even GMs next year. Very unlike the year we had to go with John Fox for example. We have a pretty good roster and depth, a young dynamic QB, a huge media market. Nagy has had any number of QBs now to try to make his offense work. He has failed. He needs to be fired. Maybe go with Lazor or DeFillippo and just SEE if they MIGHT be good. Call it a free trial before next year. Not that i think either of them is the man, but to get a really good head coach you need to find one that isnt one already. They wouldnt be my first choices, but I think you kick the tires on them because you might as well. But at the very least, I think you tell Nagy he has to give one of those guys the playcalling abilities. This is getting beyond stupid now. If people wont change, fire someone. If someone wont make them change or fire them, then fire that guy too.

We can talk about defensive mistakes, but NFL teams are going to score 20 points. Nagy's offensive playcalling has been atrocious. It has been an obvious and consistent problem for years. He needs to be put out of our misery.

Amen

ahahaha - excellent. well written.

Adams was a late cut, he may replace someone on the practice squad.

This sounds right

He may yet come back to the practice squad.

I think Pace is well educated on the trends, and plays his hand right. He's blown it in terms of talent evaluation sometimes, but not in understanding the market.

Amen to tackling and special teams coverage. That's not about scheme, or working together, or learning plays. It's just individual effort, and exactly the kind of thing you CAN evaluate in preseason.

yup

I was calling for both of them to be fired last year, so of course I am with you. BUT for better or worse they have gotten this year to save themselves, and so we will see what the outcome is.

He had skills, and he certainly got a good look and time to develop, but i guess he just didnt make it to the level he needed to be at.

Ill bet he is for special teams.

Dunning Kruger effect

I completely agree. And he is still a free agent.

you and me both.

I think they were playing vanilla to set up personal matchups for analysis, and thats why Trubisky was able to succeed. However, whatever the plan is, you gotta make tackles.

yeah he is huge, and at the very least people have a long way to go around him.

WOW that IS cheap. We cant lose with a deal like that. Leno was due what, 8 Million?

with a good running back roster, and speed at the WRs and Fields a legit threat to run or throw, we should be very hard to defend. Now we will truly see if Nagy can call plays in rhythm.

agree, and his ball placement was dead on on every throw. early on the WRs didnt make the catches and use their bodies right ont he slants, but JF put the ball where it belonged. He looks like a QB.

maybe Goldman can learn to play OLT lol

I agree. But you can understand why they dont want to. If they knew about his back on draft day, and took a risk with a 2nd rounder to pick a guy who wont be able to play in the NFL, that is not going to help them keep their jobs. At this point, if Nagy puts a good product on the field this year, and he and Fields have rhythm with play calling and execution, it might just be Pace on the chopping block. Im not even sure myself what i think of that, but i can see things going that way if Jenkins never plays.

Ive been watching film on Peters. At one time he was a monstrous beast who owned the league. Now he is a decent, but not spectacular journeyman who will make some plays and whiff on others. He looks like a better version of Leno. So that IS an upgrade while we wait for Jenkins, but he will make frustrating errors and get beat too. All in all you cant say we've lost anything by losing Leno, but we are going to need more (Jenkins) before we can really turn the corner as an offense.