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LOL perfect example. the stats are totally one sided, but then again, if you watch the film (and in this case, it doesnt have to be the all 22! lol) you discover that he went out injured in the first quarter. A lot of people have said hes too slight to take the hits, and they may be right. I tried to avoid that criticism and just look at his skills as a pocket passer. But the people who worried about injuries are already getting their argument somewhat validated apparently.

yeah there are lots of articles to read, and narratives to follow. But there really is no substitute for watching the game on the all 22, otherwise you never know whats real and whats a narrative. Most people dont do that, so theres lots of people walking around repeating opinions they read, but the film itself is really the only truth. For example, I have my opinions about Jayden Daniels. I watched some college tape on him, and Ive seen some highlights of him in the NFL. But the truth is I dont really know, because i didnt watch the all 22.

I totally agree!

yup - without context, stats are lies thats why you gotta watch the game, and really you gotta watch the all 22, preferably each play 3 or 4 times to see the line, and understand the play that was called.

I would imagine Crosby would command a first, a third AND a player like Herbert or even Booker. Think about the Khalil Mack trade. For me, that might be too steep a price to pay. Then again, it's a championship defense. If we could move a 2nd and a 3rd and a player, id do it in a heartbeat. I just really want that #1 pick on the OL. But if theres a young talented free agent LOT out there, then maybe i could be persuaded. Its a hell of a price, but it'd be a hell of a defensive front too.

yikes. that is scary. I am SO glad that isnt us.

that's as good a read as any. if we see them sign one, then it will be a signal to think about. of course, if the right price or player comes available, you might rush to grab a RB for the practice squad at that point. But your point does seem to indicate it isnt imminent, or part of the general plan right now, so good read.

As we are all learning (later than most maybe) the NFL is ALL about the QB. And there are almost none that actually GOOD. I think we have one The next 10 - 15 years are going to be amazing to watch. And we all watched this story for so many years, when it finally pays off, it's gonna feel So good.

we either got really lucky with the schedule, or the league wanted to give us time to build. I suppose another explanation would be to delay divisional games so more teams stay mathematically alive longer to prolong interest.

you can only play who they put in front of you - but Caleb has been under pressure, and he's beaten the blitz enough to make teams play him honestly, and things like looking off of safeties and getting through your progressions are big time no matter who you're playing. But yeah, I am very much looking forward to seeing him against better teams, both to see where hes at and to continue growing.

its amazing to see him growing. He's already a pretty good QB, in the last 3 weeks hes in the top 5, but you can see that he has a long way to go before he reaches a ceiling. how good can he get? This is gonna be fun to watch!

I think the thinking is that Swift is better than Herbert at everything Herbert does well, and Roschon is a power runner who doesnt have the homerun capability of Swift (and maybe Herbert?) but can grind out tough yards where Herbert is usually stopped by first contact? So the role Herbert would fill, and can fill, which is why he has trade value, is filled better by Swift, while Roschomn offers a totally different set of complementary skills?

Dude, I love the constant stats - this board is my favorite newspaper for following the Bears! Your stats are timely, interesting, and often not the usual completion percentage kind of stuff. Love it.

So Im starting to look into Cam Robinson, and I was thinking "where can I find a rating that I respect more than the PFF rating" and as I googled his Madden ratings came up. Now I know that Madden is a video game, and that people are often offended at the ratings they give players as too high or too low, but I chuckled and thought "I wonder if Madden ratings are more reliable than PFF" LOL

this is exactly how I feel too. there's no point in making a trade deadline trade just to do it - you have to believe at this point in our evolution that the player youre getting is not just better than what you have, but will be a plus starter for several years. Im not sure anyone is offering a plus starter at LT, but if they do, we should jump on it at almost any price shy of our first round pick or cap hell. I just doubt they will be available. My main point in this thread though, was how all the pundits are touting various trades for OG, and I feel like center and LT are more pressing needs on the OL right now. Maybe Bates will come back and take center off the list. I sure hope so.

I dont disagree with any of this. I think to trade for an OL you gotta love him long term, and hes got to be young enough. So I dont really see it happening. It could, but i dont predict it - it'd have to be a good player. But the question Im asking, since im seeing all this OG trade talk, is if Poles did something at all on the OL, would it even be at OG?

I've been seeing a bunch of online rumor-mongering around the idea of a trade deadline deal for an Offensive Lineman. All of it seems to be around the Guard position. There are at least three different names I've read. I'm not saying this is going to happen at all. Just that people farming for clicks have been saying it. But my question to you guys is, if you were going to trade for an OL at the deadline, and assume the player would be pretty good, but not necessarily blue chip, like a top 10 guy, but not a top 5 guy - which position would you trade for? Which current OL would you replace? For me the OG question has been a little better with Pryor and Jenkins/Murray, and I'm hoping Bates comes back at center and does well, so I'm saying Id take a decent player to replace Braxton Jones at LT. if I could only upgrade one this year. That's why I'm thinking these rumors are extra silly. What do you guys think?

amen

fair enough. I remember him as emotionally distant and checked out, but I agree that his numbers were better than anyone else we had after Kramer.

yup, Im not surprised that Velus didnt work out, but where is Scott?

so true, and not just JF, but Trubisky too. Cutler had some good stats but he wasnt a winner his heart wasnt in it. The last good QB the Bears had was Erik Kramer, and Caleb is looking like his future is much brighter, frankly, than any Bears QB ever.

unless Wilson gets injured or falters! So we want Justin to keep winning, so he seems like a good option for them.

LOL JF has always been a great athlete and a terrible QB. You know I was leading the charge early to get rid of him, and like you said there was a lot of pushback on that to say the least. But the good news is that everyone on this board is now completely on the Caleb train, and why wouldnt they be? The guy is awesome! Let's go Bears!

probably three? four would pretty much guarantee it.

Heal fast and with as little pain as possible!