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nope. I lost that one last year because Nagy and Pace were too stupid to fix it, and i thought they couldnt be THAT stupid. You were right, they are. What I know is that if it was MY team, he'd be gone. I'm not being negative for pessimism's sake. I want the Bears to be great, but i think the only way that happens is after we fire Nagy. I think that should have happened already. Now we're just waiting and I dont see any reason to think this team and this coach can win a Superbowl. Being a little better isnt the goal. Especially if you have to mortgage the future to get to that 9-7 place. Yuck.

lol we are going around in circles. the last couple of years should make this clear already. Leno is a major liability, and Nagy and Pace are failing.

yeah but do you think if you add Wilson to this current roster that we'd be Superbowl bound?

exactly. this is out of control, and at this point it is McCaskey who has done this.

I think we are exactly where our record says we are - 8 and 8, I dont think we are one or two pieces away from anything. Im not sure we actually disagree, since you're talking about the mid point in the league too. I dont believe Nagy and Pace will be around for the 2022 season, so I wish we had figured that out at the end of the 2019 season.

absolutely agree, let's just hope they cant trade away the future trying to make this year work.

my only hope is that McCaskey is making them live with the mess they created for a year, and has limited what they can do with future draft picks.

Oh I know it's not gonna happen. Not this year anyway.

Pace said: “There’s a window here to improve our team. … We have foundation pieces in place on our roster. We’ve proven we have a playoff ready roster; we’ve been there two of the last three years and we’ve got a lot of young talent we need to develop. Obviously our expectations are much higher than that. But it’s about building upon what we already have, making the necessary strides. That’s a big one that we’re talking about right now and I understand that. But we do feel like we have a lot of foundation pieces in place, a lot of good talent on our roster, and it’s our job to add to that.” https://heavy.com/sports/chicago-bears/release-offensive-lineman-rashaad-coward/?fbclid=IwAR31rOoFQeh3g-mApjsQRm5ol2vh7FfEYWgs_2fcg59ZATiyvTlSZ5U51eI They are deluding themselves. Mack's impact on the defense a couple years ago is not still apparent. Jackson has been nowhere near the player he was. Quinn is a lost cause. The OL has been swiss cheese. Seriously where are the pieces in place? Allen Robinson is a good WR, but we have no QB and no ability to protect him if we did. Akeim Hicks is a good DE, but he is getting older and wasnt very effective this past year. David Montgomery is a good RB, but few RBs can lead an offense in the modern game, and you need to open holes for them to run through. Roquan Smith a good up and coming ILB, and if you occupy him, you can beat Trevathan with routes in the same area of the field. Kole Kmet might become an actual starter this year. WR Mooney and CB Johnson look like competent youngsters. Is this the core of a playoff team? Are we one doink away? It's crazy. Fire Nagy. Fire Pace and even more importantly fire McCaskey for letting it continue to go on this year.

I think we will tag Robinson and trade him to the Jets for draft pick(s).

yeah he got cancelled, but before that it was kind of funny because it gave the show a bit of a seedy edge, since they were acknowledging the gambling lines in ways other shows didnt. Made it kind of rock and roll.

with Jimmy the Greek too - that was Sunday.

I think you're right. The only way Foles is the starter on opening day is if they have a young QB that isnt ready yet, but should be during the season. I suppose signing a big name free agent and having him get injured might be another way, but no one can predict that. But I agree the plan will not be Foles unless the plan is to replace Foles when a youngster is ready.

preach

yes they can remove Mike McCaskey from his role of course and bring in a football guy to oversee operations. Will they? I dunno, but they could.

yes and they have each made huge mistakes in addition to that too. There is no reason for McCaskey to have his job.

I dont mind us trading future #1s to get a franchise QB in the draft, but I definitely wonder if I want these guys to be the ones to make that decision, especially when they are likely to be gone. This is a conflict of interest that McCaskey should have avoided by firing them. The only thing that makes sense is to tell these guys they cant trade future picks, and do whatever they think they have to to save their jobs, but no future picks and no long term deals with big guaranteed money on free agents. If thats the case, then it's McCaskey saying "It's your mess, you live with it for a year and then youre gone" and that makes more sense, but still wastes a year. He really should have fired them. He needs to be fired.

I agree. I don't think Foles is bad, but even Mahomes looks awful without an OL in front of him. This is ALL on Pace.

I agree with your assessment of Minchew's potential role. I think youre right about Foles being the day 1 starter with a high pick rookie QB waiting in the wings. Therefore, I would not be spending any draft capital, even a low pick, on a QB that will be the #3 by midseason. THis team isnt deep enough to be spending on that kind of insurance. We need that pick somewhere else more.

The best thing about Wentz is no guaranteed money for at least two years, so you can cut or trade him at any time. Also to those saying he would have no trade value, realize that the team that gets him after us would also have no guaranteed money issues with his deal.

agree

I agree that they should not trade future picks this year.

well said, he is not what he once was.

because their contracts re coming up, and tying yourself to them for 4 more years is a very bad idea. They havent shown that they can do this, so its time to try someone new. there are only two ways to get a coach - you either hire someone who has already been a head coach and fired for some reason, or you elevate a coordinator to first time head coach, and hope they are good. When we hired Nagy, that was a fair question. Could he be a great head coach? But he isnt an unknown now, hes a bad head coach. The same things he screwed up at KC he screwed up here,mainly play calling and getting away from the run. I dont see any argument for keeping him at all. I dont even know why you'd want to? Also why do you think Pace would make choices like those 80s drafts? He had the #2 pick overall, and we got Mitch Trubisky. He chose a head coach and we got Matt Nagy.

yeah but you can trade Wentz again after next year and get the pick back...