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agree with all of this

Here's how I did it. I think overall this would be a fantastic draft. I know Mond is scored as a C-, but I wanted to bring in a developmental project at QB, and none of the guys in the second round onward were exciting enough to take over the players I got until the 5th round. He has all the tools and needs to develop - 5th round seems right to me. Also, they have OT Becton rated lower than I do. Other draft sites give him higher grades. Id take him over Leno in a heartbeat. Also another note - I know SS Jordan Fuller's mother very well. Their entire family is extremely rare and impressive. On character alone Id take this kid. Overall I created competition for every spot on the OL, added a legit TE, and added two key pieces to the secondary, beef on the DL and even a developmental QB. I'd be very happy with this draft. If someone has a different QB in mind in the 5th round, Id be open to hearing it. But at that point they are all lacking something and Mond seems like he has the most upside of the players available there.

according to the calculator at over the cap, If we cut: Floyd (save $13.2 Million) Leno (save $2.9 Million) Long (save ($8.1 Million) Gabriel (save $4.5 Million) Then we would have $40.6 Million to spend on the cap. Cutting Robinson would save another $13 Million and Cutting Amukamara would save another $8 Million Cutting Patterson would save another $5.3 Million I like Robinson a lot, but we could probably do better than Amukamara for $8 Million. Trevathan, HaHa and KPL are free agents we have some choices to make and some money to spend. We can get a shiny new Offensive Line.

and imagine if the new guy could run block.

it helps us cut and replace Leno.

We need an agile LT to protect the QB and a road grading Right Tackle to run behind. Here we are in 2020, with Nagy and Trestman's offenses in our rear view mirror, any second Jetson's cars and sex robots are gonna be normal, and all I want is a 1990s Dallas style offense.

OK, I did some digging, and here's the deal: https://overthecap.com/player/charles-leno-jr/3185/ Leno's cap number goes from $3.3 Million this past year to -- GULP -- $10,300,000 for 2020. If we cut him we are on the hook for $7.4 Million - a savings of almost $3 Million dollars. Further if we designate him a post June 1st cut, then he would count $2.3 million against this years cap, and $5.1 Million against the 2021 cap. Since Pace is fighting for his life, he might want to do that, and clear up $5 Million in cap room for Leno's replacement in Free Agency. If one assumes that the odds of Trubisky earning a top franchise QB salary in 2021 are low, then we can afford to push the $5.1 Million to 2021. At that point Trubisky will either have signed an extension that isn't a top 5 QB in the league number, or we will be paying a rookie QB. Either way we will have room for that cap hit. GOOD BYE LENO.

I agree that Floyd is worth keeping if his cap number is more friendly. We may not be able to cut Leno. The cap hit might be too much. So you just let him sit on the bench, because there is NO reason to put that guy on the field for us ever again. Unfortunately, if a player quits the NFL, or is killed by a crazed fan (lol), the team is still on the hook for the cap hit. The only way around it is a trade. And wed have to give up a lot to move Leno. It'd be Leno plus draft picks for a lower pick, just to get him off of our cap. Its not gonna happen. But if we have to pay it either way, then at least we dont need to put him on the field.

it's possible that they have someone they want, but if they cant get him, at least theyve got Castillo to provide the role if not the title. And there is probably some possibility he becomes OC if they cant get whoever theyre thinking about. its a good early hire to shore up the run game and provide insurance so they can wait into the playoffs to find their guy at OC if they want to without too much risk if they dont land him.

I like it. He has been OL and run coordinator successfully before. Now the question is whether Nagy will listen when it's 2nd and 8, down 6, early in the 4th quarter. He's going to want to pass, but can he stay with the run? History says no, but he will apparently get one more chance to prove he can change. This will be the most likely scenario for him to be able to do it, but will he? I have my doubts. I hope Im wrong.

I think that if they were: 1) planning on sticking with Trubisky, 2) bringing in competition while giving Trubisky a decent shot at being the starter 3) overhauling the QB position entirely and getting rid of Trubisky that they would have said exactly the same thing, so I dont know if we can really say what the plan is at this point from what we know. let's hope it's at least #2...

no doubt. I think there is criticism to be had on both sides of that, I truly think Nagy underused Patterson, but yes, every offense looks terrible with Leno at LT.

If Nagy can allow himself to be open, then sure. But even if he is listening and all dialed in on Tuesday morning, is he able to feel that way in the early part of the 4th quarter, 2nd and 8, down 6 on the road? Will he really call straight power blocking off-tackle right with no one pulling? I truly and deeply have my doubts. He has never shown the ability to foster a running game, here or in KC. Over and over it's the same thing. Let's release him and he can finally be free to fulfill his dream and be the world's top Madden player.

I dont think Nagy has shown enough that you keep him, but bring in someone to reign him in. If he needs so much supervision (he DOES) then why not let the next OC call plays? Or better yet, what are you keeping about him? Club Dub? Bad 4th down decisions? Im telling you next year is a wasted year because no one has the guts or institutional power to fire him. It should be Pace to do it. But he has decided to double down and finish tying his future to the rest. Only Virginia now can save us. Otherwise, we will be rebuilding again in 2021, and if that's Ok, why not start NOW.

Trubisky is an issue, but he isn't even the top two problems. Nagy and the OL have been insurmountable. Sure Mitch can grow, but the OL has been atrocious. Just awful. Leno is a disgrace, and made it impossible for Trubisky to even operate the offense at whatever level he is at. Nagy refused to change his play calls. He lost a playoff game for the Chiefs because he got away from the run. Last year he assured us that he'd get Jordan Howard going, but never did. This year he gave up on the run too, and refused to do any straight power blocking at ALL. Then one week, he spoke about I formation, and decided to show us idiot fans that it wouldnt work. Except it did. Well. So we promptly abandoned it and went back to the pulling and trapping game his OL was completely unable to execute. Im telling you now. Next year is already a wash, and Nagy will get fired after. And THEN we will have to start again. Wish we could fire him now, because all youre gonna do is spend another yeat to discover that Nagy is not the guy. And why fire the OC? Nagy is the offensive genius, and play caller, and he admits he leaves the defense alone. So what did Helfrich do that it was HIS fault and not Nagy's? This is total garbage. Come on Virginia. Pull the plug on this crap.

So true. Pace had a chance here to do something bold. Admittedly, it would be risky. But he could have saved himself by firing Nagy and bringing in someone else. Even keeping Trubisky, and bringing in competition of course. But instead they went with the "we still believe in each other" route. And while it seems really moral on the surface, what it means is "we are still staying on course, so we believe that what we did was RIGHT and the cards just havent come up right for us yet" AND THAT is BULLSHIT. I dont care if they lie to me in the press conference. It'd almost be malpractice if they didnt. But doubling down on this Nagy stuff is a really bad bet. And now Pace truly is hitched to Nagy. When they both get fired after next year we can begin a 3 year building program. And based on that, I want their heads NOW. Do it Virginia, youre the only one that can.

just saw they fired Helfrich, Hiestand, Gilbride and a ST assistant. You can bring in a run specialist OC who doesnt call plays to try to balance out Nagy, but it begs the question. WHY IS NAGY WORTH THAT??

Oh boy. It is clear that Pace and Nagy are staying, and they affirmed that Trubisky is their guy today. Even worse, when they, and Ted Phillips spoke, they mentioned the offense as a whole, giving examples of bad routes, bad QB choices, bad play calling, and unproductive running. Literally EVERYTHING but the OL. Now I understand, this may mean they are in the market for OL and/or QB and they dont want to telegraph that. So it's hard to read them. But we can look to this past season to see what they adjusted and what they didn't. Apparently, they all have each other's backs. The only possible leadership move this year would be to fire Pace if he wont fire Nagy. But they won't. They are going to gamble next year on the idea that they were right this year and it just didnt happen for whatever reason. I am telling you, we will not be a good team until Nagy leaves. And if it takes another year, then thats one less year of Mack you have to build on. Not to mention we have to wait a whole year more just to START fixing the problem. This is a disaster. Does anyone know if they had a club dub after BARELY beating the Vikings second stringers to secure an 8-8 outcome?

you may be right. But Belichick did manage to get him the ball on jet sweeps, and that should be right up Nagy's alley. Honestly, I am not impressed with Nagy. Did you know?

LOL it's better to laugh than cry!

I still dont understand why they didnt use Patterson as a pass catching TE more. He can block a bit, and he can definitely play FB/U type, and hes a legit threat to be the ball carrier too. NAGY!!

yup youre right! Coward was on the right side before he went out and Larsen took over. What I saw was the left guard (AND LENO!) so youre right it totally was Daniels. And Daniels seems to have been doing the right thing. LENO!!

there was a handoff to the left side today. Leno and Coward took the DT together, and left both the DE and OLB completely unblocked to the side the RB was running. That says everything. I mean, even in pee wee football they know better than that. Leno not only cant complete a block, he doesnt know who he is supposed to block, in even the most obvious situations.

they will; HAVE to revamp the OL. I dont care WHAT the cap issue is with Leno, he HAS to be gone. And along with most of his friends too.

True it takes time to build chemistry, but we have nothing to salvage at OT. There is no reason to keep the hand we have. As chaotic as the unknown is, it can't be worse.