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I'll say this too. It seems like the the Bears stopped having urgency after the week Roquan held out and nothing bad happened to him. I dont know why he didnt play. But if it was something stupid like the uniform and Nagy let it slide, then this is what happens. Since then Smith has been giving 70% effort each week. Im really sad to see this happening to our team. Now, I said before and Ill repeat - even if I am willing to move on from Trubisky right now (and Im getting there) he still probably has the rest of the year. I will not fight agaisnt them turning it around if they do. I dont need to be right, I just want a team that dictates tempo. But this is atrocious, and I am very disappointed.

I was thinking about this. Can you imagine Bill Belichick having a dance party in the locker room after regular season wins? How do you expect he would deal with players underperforming? Can you even imagine him calling only 7 run plays in a game? I was wondering about Nagy giving his playcalling duties over to the actual OC, and then he could focus on... what exactly... Team culture, birds eye view etc? If anything is true it's that our culture is not pushing these guys to play well. It's WAY too permissive. Pace has done a decent job stocking this roster. He missed on Trubisky. He's made some other bad calls too. But by and large, he has done a pretty good job of filling our roster. Nagy has done an awful job of putting it on the field. They start every game flat. Forget London - EVERY game. They don't have a good offensive mix. They dont establish the run, and they dont get anyone into rhythm. The players feel loved and safe. THey know they can make mistakes, and be forgiven and supported. Im sure it's MUCH nicer to be on a Matt Nagy team than a Bill Belichick team. I LIKE Matt Nagy. I'd much rather have him as my next door neighbor than Bill Belichick. Maybe that's the problem.

Yeah, on this play it was Mitch all the way. UGH.

I think what he meant was that he isn't calling that a silver lining. He obviously agrees with you in that he called those plays. He's saying the offense doesnt deserve credit for them because the Saints were in a big zone and letting the Bears move the ball and chew time off of the clock. This is also why our defense looks bad at the end of games where we are ahead. I mean, before this new era where theyre just gassed because theyre on the field for 40+ minutes a game.

First of all Kaepernick sucks. Forget all the politics and the rest, just as a QB, he sucks and he's been out of the league for a while. I do think Trubisky is on the hot seat. He has the rest of the year to show something, but if he doesnt, and I think he probably wont, then you gotta do something. It'd be tempting to put Nagy on the bubble, but he wasnt here when they took Trubisky. I also think Pace has done a pretty good job too. Dont forget where we were and for how long. Yes we suck. But we suck differently than we used to. Now we are actually angry because there IS talent on the roster. It's a step forward, but it isn't enough. On D we are really missing Hicks. We need another difference maker at DE. On Offense, we need something on the OL. Maybe more than one something. I'm looking at Massie in the run game. Not good enough. The three young interior guys are doing Ok, and will grow. The WRs and RBs are FINE. Montgomery is going to be very good if we can open some holes for him. Trubisky is not getting it done. They should keep working with him, and maybe the light will come on before the end of the season, but I wouldnt bet on it. Unfortunately, we dont have the draft capital to draft another QB early int he first round. We might be able to move up around pick 20 or so. But we sure as hell wont have the #3 or #2 pick. It's easy to say that Pace blew that one, but EVERYONE thought Trubisky was gonna be a top 5 pick, and he was the consensus best QB available. Yes, you pay Pace to see deeper, but all first round QBs are 50/50 shots at best. So I think next year you need a new QB, ROT and DE. That's before dealing with whoever might be leaving, and resigning our own free agents. Then again, if you're not going to extend Trubisky past his rookie deal, then you'll have cap room to do lots of stuff. But boy is this disappointing. And yes, Nagy needs to get better. There is no good reason not to let the OC call the plays too. It's not like Nagy's had any magic at it. We arent even getting RBs 15 carries. But in the end, Mitch is not getting it done, and the OL is not getting it done, and the D line is too porous against the run right now.

We are terrible.

I think all three of our running backs are excellent. Montgomery and Cohen are both special. WRs are deep too. TEs are fine. It's all about the OL and Trubisky.

agree

if they dont come out of the gate tough this week, then we know a lot of bad stuff about this team but if they do come out strong, that will be fun to watch, but it still doesnt mean anything. we need to string together a bunch of games where we dictate on offense and defense. I dont see it on offense, but Id love to be proved wrong. on paper, the roster looks solid. but we need to see it on the field, and we need to see it over a string of games.

LOL I meant in KC!

well that's just in usual trade language, in this one, you'd be trading his rights. But Trubisky would need to pass one! Anyway, I'm just joking. It's an interesting idea on cold heartless value, but no human beings would ever really consider it.

I assume KC would like to trade Mahomes for Trubisky straight up right now.

if we cant get picks for him in trade, then I agree about releasing him too.

I think that Long has definitely suffered this year. That's one huge difference. I expect some growing pains with the Daniel / Whitehair swap but i dont think that's really the root of the problem we are seeing. I think Long is biggest culprit, and everyone else has just been kind of flat. We can blame Nagy for not playing the preseason, but we've had five liver action games by now, so we oughtta be in rhythm by now if that was the issue. And frankly, if were gonna judge Nagy, he did manage to get to 3-2 without risking any preaseason injuries, so his gamble did kind of pay off. I dunno what to say about the rest of the line. Let's hope they find their identity and move some people off of the ball.

I think one of the last things Pace would do right now is to trade draft picks for a RB. If you want to see the RBs on our squad transformed, update the OL, and they'll all look like studs.

Yup

I was just doing some reading, and found this. http://sportsmockery.com/2019/05/chicago-bears-salary-cap-faces-a-possible-crisis-in-2020/ Kyle Long was gonna cost us $9 Million next year, and extending Robinson will also open some cap space. We may not have picks, but I bet we can be active in free agency at OT. And we may already have the talent we need on the team, just developing - I'm looking at you Bars!

LOL - thats a funny question. Value-wise, while I disagree with it, it makes sense to ask the question. But the league, the press, the fans and players arent computers, and IF Pace traded Mack, he'd probably get fired soon thereafter.

this is good news.

It might be time for the youth movement on the right side of the line.

I think a lot of the mental breakdown you see from Trubisky is because he doesnt feel comfortable in the pocket due to the OL play too. He isnt progressing as he should, but its not all because of him. Still, he isnt progressing, so it IS him in the end, but Im starting to think the path out of this isnt a new QB but new OL talent, which is easier to address in the offseason than a new franchise QB would be. That said, after a few more weeks of him, I might be really fed up.

Kwit isnt fast enough. he plays with a ton of heart. He is probably closer to the limit of his potential than any starter on our team except Mack. But his potential isnt that high. So I love the guy, but he simply cannot cover receivers, and the league knows it. Pagano hid some of that in his gameplan which was great, but kwit has already reached the limit of his capabilities.

Next year we might have a couple new OL, and they will be on rookie contracts, so we can afford to eat the bad vet OL money, even though thats not great.

thats how I read it.

the answer to all of your questions is "because the OL has been sucking" When I say Mahomes gets his receivers open, Im saying he looks off safeties. Daniel has done that too. Not as well as Mahomes LOL But in all cases, when you stare down your primary receiver, guys dont look open. Also, OTHER guys may be open and bad reads disguise it too. I think this is all on the OL and QB play.