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its amazing to see! Go Bears!

I think this is a fair measured position. I've staked out my place as saying that Daniels will never be great. That isnt to say that he doesnt do things that look impressive, because he obviously does. He has an amazing arm, and is more accurate on the deep ball than Williams is, or will probably ever be. Daniels is faster too. To my eye Daniels has a similar skill set to Justin Fields, and I predict mediocrity for him for the same reasons. But you're right, Daniels isn't really the question at all. The question is who Caleb Williams is becoming. And here we are in total agreement. Williams does pocket QB things we haven't seen in many years in Chicago. Some might say the last to consistently process the field like this was Cutler, but if not, then Kramer. Williams has a lot of wow factors, but his simply staying int he pocket and making reads has me increasingly excited. He knows football, and he is a QB first and an athlete second. As he learns, and if we can give him another second of pass protection, the ceiling is very very high. I think we will also get a check on where we are and arent, including the defense, when we start playing better teams. At some point the roster will be good enough, and the level of intensity and desire comes into play. I think we are decently intense now, but i think to get to that top 5 tier, we will have to dial that up even more. Right now we are learning to be a good football team. Soon we will have to learn to be great. And just to have the opportunity to do that has been quite a while. Cant wait to see it.

well thats what makes horse races. I know his stats have been good, but he is still a one read QB that mostly passes to the right. I dont see him looking off safeties, or going through progressions. To me, he looks like a lighter Justin Fields.

I mean that he wont win a superbowl, and that he wont be a top ten QB after defenses adjust to him. I call that a bust for a 2nd overall pick? But youre right, he will be in the league, but he wont have a top 5 contract ever.

I think Daniels is smoke and mirrors. His successes definitely say something good about the coaching in Washington, but i think that Daniels will be a bust in the NFL. Ive been saying that since i watched his pre-draft film, and what i saw continues to be the knock on him today - one read guy, doesnt really play the QB position.

agree, and coaching.

It's a secret formula known only to ESPN. Of course the regular stats go into it, but the secret sauce is not public.

I agree with all of that - they are one of the worst teams we will play, and yet, the way it matches up, it could be a close game. It comes down to not making mistakes, limiting big plays on defense, and being efficient and scoring points on offense. Not turning over the ball, making first downs, keeping time of possession will all be key, but thats just football anyway.

I think with the defense playing so well, and Caleb improving each week, that unless we are playing a top 5 team, it's going to come down to the OL, the running game, and Waldron's game plan and play calling every week. We can beat almost anyone if we play well, and we can look terrible if we dont do the right things. That's where we are at with this roster I think.

Im seeing this the same way you are. I couldn't agree more. It's incredible to see him maturing right before our eyes. Sure he has a way to go, but he's already showing regular habits that we haven't had a QB do at all in many years. The future is bright and extends out many years.

hell yes. And he has been outplaying Daniels for 2 weeks already now.

Right! And one of them was this year, his 4th year. In Caleb's NFL career, he goes over 300 yards 40% of the time (so far LOL 2 of 5)

love the stats adam! I did a little excel-ling of my own, and found out that Caleb is kicking Jayden Daniels' butt the past two weeks. Last Week Caleb.........RTG 106.6 ---- 1 TD, 0 INT Jayden......RTG 96.3 ---- 1 TD, 1 INT This Week Caleb.........RTG 126.2 ---- 2 TD, 0 INT Jayden......RTG 85.1 ---- 1 TD, 1 INT Caleb's best 2 games for yardage this season: 363 yds, 304 yds Jayden's best 2 games for yardage this season: 254 yds, 238 yds Jayden may be completing a lot of passes, but he isn't throwing a lot of TDs, and he hasnt broken 255 yards in a game yet. Caleb has 5 TDs this year, Jayden has 4 TDs.

yes and yes. Go Bears! Caleb will paint his nails with Packer tears

Ah it was the 2 min already. yup Bagent takes a knee. Great look today. Hopefully we can build on it as we meet up with better teams

Williams did strain something in his leg, maybe we will see Bagent. Either way, it'll be heavy on the run now. 4 min offense and all that.

yes, so maybe we need to see Murray against a better DL? I hate garbage TDs too, but we have our second stringers in right now. I wonder what we will do on offense.

yeah it's rare to see him drop one like that. Are you guys watching Murray at LG at the snap? He looks really good.

Im saying Bill Murray is doing great out there, and Bates is coming back. Maybe Kiran will surprise us and displace Jones. Pryor is already doing better than Davis, even though he still has some issues. I dont see this as "they will work hard and get a little better" Im talking about better players in there. Anyway, watch Murray and see how he is. He's new in there. And he WILL get better with experience. I think Jenkins will not get resigned for any kind of real money.

Murray is doing a lot of good things. Watch him if you can. If he can be a good starter for us, that would add something unexpected to our troubled OL. Murray over Jenkins Pryor over Davis Bates over Shelton Kiran over Jones? Maybe there is hope this year. This game looks great because Caleb has "some" time. Imagine if we could give him a pocket consistently?

Dexter was an amazing find. I think our college player evaluation team is kicking ass. The pro personnel department has been more hit and miss. But then again, as my father always says every time I call him up gushing about some new free agent "there's a reason his original team didnt want him" LOL It's great to see how in control of the offense Caleb is becoming; changing plays at the line, going through his progressions, moving defenders etc, and he's not Justin Fields, but he is still pretty nifty with his feet, escaping pressure, picking up first downs. When our line is better, more games will look like this for us.

I suppose it's possible they are teaching new technique, but in general I agree with you. That's poor play on the part of the player.

film is always better than stats. Even good stats, and PFF does not have good player eval stats LOL

PFF is OK for next gen stats with inputs from regular stats like completions, yards etc. But when it comes to player eval, thats all on their eyes, and they were the same guys telling us that Charles Leno was one of the best LTs in the NFL. Im not even saying they are always wrong. Im saying they are random. It's not even the same person grading them. These just too much chaos in that system to have any kind of reliable output? If you want to know how Jones is doing, just watch the tape. Hes getting pushed around way too much, and Caleb is getting crowded in the pocket way too much.

Wright was always a puncher. It was maybe the best part of his game. I think you may be on to something regarding what they're being asked to do by coaches. Wright was great and ascending. Damn them for screwing this up.