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no doubt. I think there is criticism to be had on both sides of that, I truly think Nagy underused Patterson, but yes, every offense looks terrible with Leno at LT.

If Nagy can allow himself to be open, then sure. But even if he is listening and all dialed in on Tuesday morning, is he able to feel that way in the early part of the 4th quarter, 2nd and 8, down 6 on the road? Will he really call straight power blocking off-tackle right with no one pulling? I truly and deeply have my doubts. He has never shown the ability to foster a running game, here or in KC. Over and over it's the same thing. Let's release him and he can finally be free to fulfill his dream and be the world's top Madden player.

I dont think Nagy has shown enough that you keep him, but bring in someone to reign him in. If he needs so much supervision (he DOES) then why not let the next OC call plays? Or better yet, what are you keeping about him? Club Dub? Bad 4th down decisions? Im telling you next year is a wasted year because no one has the guts or institutional power to fire him. It should be Pace to do it. But he has decided to double down and finish tying his future to the rest. Only Virginia now can save us. Otherwise, we will be rebuilding again in 2021, and if that's Ok, why not start NOW.

Trubisky is an issue, but he isn't even the top two problems. Nagy and the OL have been insurmountable. Sure Mitch can grow, but the OL has been atrocious. Just awful. Leno is a disgrace, and made it impossible for Trubisky to even operate the offense at whatever level he is at. Nagy refused to change his play calls. He lost a playoff game for the Chiefs because he got away from the run. Last year he assured us that he'd get Jordan Howard going, but never did. This year he gave up on the run too, and refused to do any straight power blocking at ALL. Then one week, he spoke about I formation, and decided to show us idiot fans that it wouldnt work. Except it did. Well. So we promptly abandoned it and went back to the pulling and trapping game his OL was completely unable to execute. Im telling you now. Next year is already a wash, and Nagy will get fired after. And THEN we will have to start again. Wish we could fire him now, because all youre gonna do is spend another yeat to discover that Nagy is not the guy. And why fire the OC? Nagy is the offensive genius, and play caller, and he admits he leaves the defense alone. So what did Helfrich do that it was HIS fault and not Nagy's? This is total garbage. Come on Virginia. Pull the plug on this crap.

So true. Pace had a chance here to do something bold. Admittedly, it would be risky. But he could have saved himself by firing Nagy and bringing in someone else. Even keeping Trubisky, and bringing in competition of course. But instead they went with the "we still believe in each other" route. And while it seems really moral on the surface, what it means is "we are still staying on course, so we believe that what we did was RIGHT and the cards just havent come up right for us yet" AND THAT is BULLSHIT. I dont care if they lie to me in the press conference. It'd almost be malpractice if they didnt. But doubling down on this Nagy stuff is a really bad bet. And now Pace truly is hitched to Nagy. When they both get fired after next year we can begin a 3 year building program. And based on that, I want their heads NOW. Do it Virginia, youre the only one that can.

just saw they fired Helfrich, Hiestand, Gilbride and a ST assistant. You can bring in a run specialist OC who doesnt call plays to try to balance out Nagy, but it begs the question. WHY IS NAGY WORTH THAT??

Oh boy. It is clear that Pace and Nagy are staying, and they affirmed that Trubisky is their guy today. Even worse, when they, and Ted Phillips spoke, they mentioned the offense as a whole, giving examples of bad routes, bad QB choices, bad play calling, and unproductive running. Literally EVERYTHING but the OL. Now I understand, this may mean they are in the market for OL and/or QB and they dont want to telegraph that. So it's hard to read them. But we can look to this past season to see what they adjusted and what they didn't. Apparently, they all have each other's backs. The only possible leadership move this year would be to fire Pace if he wont fire Nagy. But they won't. They are going to gamble next year on the idea that they were right this year and it just didnt happen for whatever reason. I am telling you, we will not be a good team until Nagy leaves. And if it takes another year, then thats one less year of Mack you have to build on. Not to mention we have to wait a whole year more just to START fixing the problem. This is a disaster. Does anyone know if they had a club dub after BARELY beating the Vikings second stringers to secure an 8-8 outcome?

you may be right. But Belichick did manage to get him the ball on jet sweeps, and that should be right up Nagy's alley. Honestly, I am not impressed with Nagy. Did you know?

LOL it's better to laugh than cry!

I still dont understand why they didnt use Patterson as a pass catching TE more. He can block a bit, and he can definitely play FB/U type, and hes a legit threat to be the ball carrier too. NAGY!!

yup youre right! Coward was on the right side before he went out and Larsen took over. What I saw was the left guard (AND LENO!) so youre right it totally was Daniels. And Daniels seems to have been doing the right thing. LENO!!

there was a handoff to the left side today. Leno and Coward took the DT together, and left both the DE and OLB completely unblocked to the side the RB was running. That says everything. I mean, even in pee wee football they know better than that. Leno not only cant complete a block, he doesnt know who he is supposed to block, in even the most obvious situations.

they will; HAVE to revamp the OL. I dont care WHAT the cap issue is with Leno, he HAS to be gone. And along with most of his friends too.

True it takes time to build chemistry, but we have nothing to salvage at OT. There is no reason to keep the hand we have. As chaotic as the unknown is, it can't be worse.

For real. There are other problems to be sure, but damn we have a bunch of zeroes. A couple years back I said theyd clean out all the WRs, and a lot of people argued with me here, and it turned out I was right. I dont want to be the guy that took the opposite side of that on the OL. Let's get a lot of new faces in here. Coward is a JOKE. Leno is worse. Daniels is not ready and maybe never will be. Massie was awful before he got injured. Whitehair seems OK I guess. Lucas might be someone you can grow with. But if they scrapped em all, Id be all with it. JUST AWFUL.

yes yes a thousand times yes. Leno. Goodbye. Go play for the Packers please.

I dunno if Nagy's running scheme is good or not. WHat I do know is this OL is completely unable to block it, and anytime he pulls an offensive lineman it fails. All season long. I can say definitively that Nagy is not changing his scheme to fit his players. he ran a few plays out of I formation a few weeks back just as a sort of "see?!" and they WORKED. It may be that Nagy is a running genius, and our OL sucks. But he sure isn't modifying any, and Im not sure it would work with good players either. I'd need to SEE that. I think Nagy is a huge problem. Time will tell.

better even said to Vikings fans, since they had the whole "welcome to the jungle" thing about the metrodome LOL

Im thinking more of a Free Agent. And I think Leno is done. We'll both see next year of course. Edit - I will be specific. Leno will not be the starter by week 6 next year, and there is a very good chance he wont be the starter week 1.

if you have to pay Leno anyway, better to keep him as a backup than to put him on the street, but I agree that getting paid should not equate to starting if you suck.

I think this may be attributable to a QB with a good hard count, and defenses playing tough 3rd and 3 type scenarios rather than 3rd and 15 where penalties are less likely. This chart may just show that Rogers is a good QB.

Don't forget, there will be free agent money to play with. And I agree, we need a new player for Leno. He is AWFUL.

Miller is still making immature mistakes every week. But he is also getting better every week and his talent is undeniable. I think he is going to be an excellent receiver next year.

I saw that too. It's like we have to learn everything all over again, Coaching.

no point in arguing it now, but I believe strongly that in the future you will change your mind.