BearFan PHX

good analysis

Keep in mind, that if I told you you could choose a "Black Box" offense, that looked ridiculously bad, and was completely incoherent, but would routinely score 31 points, no questions asked, youd take it. (you being whoever is reading this) Our defense needs to tackle, cover and rush the passer. Our special teams needs to be operable. But the opffense, as terrible as it truly is is already scoring big. Imagine what theyre gonna be like when they arent spazzing out all over the place.

agree with all of that.

just so im clear, I dont think Trubisky is a top 10 QB right now today, stats or no, but I do think he's headed to being a top 5 QB. Im very glad to see him getting better and have patience this year for him to get the experience he needs to be a killer. He's good enough that we will win games with him right now, but this is not the final product, not even close. and thats a positive statement!

Ratings are helpful, but they dont tell the whole story. Im a realist about Trubisky. I call him a baby predator. Like a kitten that looks truly ferocious one moment, and then trip over her tail the next. This isnt meant as a put down to Trubisky, I truly think all the great NFL QBs went through this phase, and I like Nagy's approach of letting Trubisky play big, fail and learn, rather than trying to manage wins out of a young QB by playing it safe, and therefore failing to develop him into a real predator. So Im high on Trubisky's future, but right now, he shows flashes, but he's not as good as the rating says. The rating doesn't count interceptions that the defense drops. It doesnt count losing composure and chucking the ball up as a prayer. It does say that you could edit a bunch of good plays into a reel and make it look like Trubisky has arrived as a dominant QB, you can do that with the kitten too. But you could also make a reel that makes him look dangerously flummoxed, and deeply flawed. And Trubisky is neither of those things, or he is both. He is being asked to be Tom Brady, and he is falling short. Of course! The question is do you develop him as a bad Brady until he becomes a good one, or try to turn him into Trent Dilfer to win a couple more games? For me, theyre doing it just right. But hes not there yet, hes going to be uneven week in and week out this year. And thats OK. But the rating is just an indication of what he will be when he grows up, and not who he is right now. Because if you hypothetically knew somehow that Trubisky would stay at exactly this level, and not progress, you'd be trying to figure out how to get another QB without a first or second round draft pick in your pocket. Rating or not.

agree, Gase out coached him. We were flat overall as a team. Had some good stuff in the 3rd quarter, and then wilted in the heat. We lost as a team.

I have no problem believing the Eagles are interested in Howard. I totally see why they might think we don't really want him, given how we've used him so far. But Howard is such a great chess piece for the right games in bad weather, against a light fast defense, etc etc. I don't see Nagy letting him go, unless Howard is privately unhappy AND we get some serious draft value for him. I don't see it.

maybe kush is angry and they are hedging their bet on whether he would backup daniels, or as you said, if kush is leaving after this year, then we would need depth, and if you have a slot open on the roster, you look at your options, and pick the best one, even if it isnt a pressing need.

I think yes.

agree 100% - very exciting times for the Bears.

Mack is better than any player on the 85 defense, but in terms of impacting a game, he is probably tied with Butkis. Mack is obviously the superior athlete, but if you compare players from different eras, I think the metric of how they affected the game is the fairest way.

i think when his playing days are over, mack will be an excellent coach

We scored 48 points without even being fully in rhythm yet. We will have ups and downs, but call it proof of concept. We are on our way, and I agree with Mongo about a long window. From roster to staff, Pace has done an amazing job, and as Trubisky matures, we are going to be a real team for a while.

Don't forget Hicks and Jackson!

From players, to staff, to incredible risks going against popular wisdom and sentiment, Pace is absolutely killing it. This is what a GM hired by Ernie Accorsi, rather than the McCaskeys, looks like. To the haters saying it's just the same old thing: you're not paying attention. This is the real deal. Does that mean the Bears will win every super bowl from now on, and every draft pick will be a gem? Nope. Pace isnt the only real GM in the league, and Nagy's not the only real coach in the league either. But a lot of teams have only one of those two, or neither, like we have since 1985. We are now a real team. We will win our share. Unless we hit tremendous injuries, under Pace, we will never be 5-11 again.

yes!

for sure!

ah yes youre right. thank you for the clarification! I think it would have cost more to get Ridley, so maybe it would have cost us James Daniels and something. And Pace didn't give up on Ridley, he just couldn't get the deal done.

no i mean if we took Ridley in the first round, then we wouldnt have drafted Smith. So it wasnt an equal choice between Ridley and Miller, it was between Ridley and Smith. so if you took Ridley in the first round, you'd be looking for someone in the second round to replace Kwitkowski with...

sure but then we wouldnt have Roquan Smith

yup i agree. when i say "we" I meant the Chicago Bears fan base, not this board in particular, although a few are guilty Watch today's Nagy press conference, it pretty much says it all. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYS73IejeLQ

I agree. obviously there will have to be growth, but this whole offense is a multi year installation. the good news is that Nagy in his first year, and Pace dont particularly care what we think, if they think they're on the right path they have the time and space to see it through to their own satisfaction.

this is correct. even if Daniels is the better QB right now, then neither of them is good enough to lead the team to a Super Bowl win. yes Trent Dilfer notwithstanding, but to LEAD. And so the future is with a Trubisky who is better than Daniels will ever be, and of course better than he is now too.

if you can get something for him, then im cool with a trade. but you cant. so I think you keep him. I like Wims too.

White may not be getting open. But before you would cut him and bring up Wims, you might consider his physical run blocking. You wouldnt pay for a receiver just for run blocking. But White is sort of a free piece this year, and if that's what he does, then they can use him for that. If that's all he does he won't be around next year for sure.