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even without all the politics etc, I just dont think he was that good.

totally. and I do think there is talent on this roster.

turnovers in the secondary are often a result of pressure from the defensive front. no pressure = EJ turnovers down.

It's not just a matter of opinion. The greatest coaches in NFL history have all treated their alpha competitive men in a less gentle way, and gotten better results from them. Of course he is trying to create momentum and mojo. But every coach is trying to do that, and the rest dont have dance parties. There must be other proven ways.

exactly. why they didnt switch at the bye is a mystery. Why it took 7 weeks to run the first power run from under center to montgomery with a lead blocker is another. and the disco dance parties are really starting to bug me.

I agree with him 100%. And he has to be talking about coaching, because he is talking about culture.

yes yes yes

yes

that was a poorly coached stumble into a win. Nagy managed the end of the game very poorly.

Kwit is really good at a lot of things, but he is too slow in coverage, so you have to hide him by scheme to get the most out of him.

exactly. Trubisky is rehabilitable potentially. You all know what I think. Fire Nagy now.

hahahahaha

I dont just judge on the record in a vacuum. I am judging because he has never shown the ability to get the running game going, in KC, here last year or this year. I am judging because the once dominant defense has lost its fire in a culture of disco dance parties and brotherly love even when people are screwing up. I dont see what Nagy is doing well that is a reason to keep him. More and more I think everyone including Pace is going to be fired at the end of this season. But who will choose the next GM? I hope not the bears ownership. Last time we let Ernie Accorsi do it. That was smart, even if this is how we ended up. I cant see them doing that again though. This is very very bad - we have dug a hole that it will be very hard to get out of for several years. I've tried to be optimistic and say that if you fire Nagy, you have a chance to see if a change of scenery affects the culture and recipe of this team before blowing it all up anyway. But yes, it is not too early to judge Nagy. This is TERRIBLE football. Now I appreciate the loyalty and character youre showing to stay open to him. I appreciate that in Nagy the man too. I wish this had been successful. But this is football, and tough alpha coaches get results from physical competitive players. But this team has rabies and someone needs to take it out behind the barn and put it out of its misery.

poor coaching.

Nagy was coach of the year last year, but he didnt have a running game then either. He has a fatal flaw, and he is not gonna take us to the promised land. You can be positive and watch the team flounder for a few more years and lose the defense, or you can see it now and give us a chance to salvage something.

a 4th rounder + a 5th rounder = decent Offensive Lineman

yup. If Pace does it Ill be surprised and impressed, but if George does it, hes gonna fire Pace too, and that means we lose Mack and the D.

but will Nagy run the ball in man on man blocking schemes? or will it all still be traps and pulls the few times he does hand it off? Im telling you, I know Im ahead of the curve, but this is on Nagy, and time will prove me right. And when its too late to utilize this defense and Mack, youll realize I was right about firing Nagy now.

yeah, Im not predicting that it will happen, Im just saying that if you dont want to fire Pace and start over, this year or even worse after next year, then you can get a jump on all of that and still keep part of the team together. Again, Im not predicting it, but if we had strong ownership it would be a smart move. Also, ***IF*** you can rehabilitate one of the two (Nagy or Trubisky) if you get rid of the other one, then Nagy is the smart one to get rid of, becasue you can replace him from within. Finding a franchise QB is a lot harder than finding a coach. Now Im not saying that Trubisky is rehabilitable, but after all the value we've sunk into him itd be foolish not to find out. If we cut Trubisky, and he does OK somewhere else, and Nagy never gets this right, then youre gonna see I was right, and it will have cost us a few years to find out what we can find out right now with a bold move.

yeah, actually Im talking about NOT cleaning house. If youre gonna clean house, then it doesnt matter, let the season finish and fire them all from Pace on down then, like normal. But if you do that, you lose the defense, and it takes 4 years until youre OK, and Mack is gone by then. Im saying that *IF* you want to salvage some of this team, then you have to promote from within. And the natural question for next year will be - is Trubisky salvageable with a different coach and a running game etc? Im saying if you fire Nagy now, you get to do what you might do next year now this year, and then you have a much better plan going into the offseason. You basically save a year. Now it may be that both Nagy and Trubisky will be gone next year. But if you let this go on, then you are putting a weight on next year that could be dealt with now. Its not like we are going to the playoffs. S maybe we fire Nagy, promote Childress or Pagano, and give them an audition to save the rest of the team, and then this year becomes the PRESEASON WE NEVER HAD. I know it's unlikely. I understand why they are going to do it your way. But that means they are either gonna blow it all up, or limp through next year and THEN blow it all up. The power move here is to fire Nagy and give whats left an audition. There is another path too - Nagy could bench Trubisky, and then put some good games together with Daniel and prove that his offense works and it's all Trubisky. But since it's obvious Nagy won't abandon Trubisky, the only smart option *IF* you want to salvage this team, is to fire Nagy now. Again, if youre gonna fire them ALL after the season anyway, then what Im saying doesnt matter. And just to be clear this isnt revenge or punishment. Its just about what the best moves available for the team are in my opinion

I tend to agree, but Washington fired Gruden already, and if they dont it's going to cost them another year. *IF* however you are totally 100% ready to move on from Trubisky, then fine, you don't need to fire Nagy mid season. But you lose all chance at seeing if a change of system would possibly save his career. Also, If you know you're going to fire everyone, Pace on down at the end of the year, then no reason to pull the plug now. BUT - if you're hoping to salvage any part of this team and staff, and aim to promote within, then it makes sense to fire Nagy now, and use the second half of the season to see what you can get out of the remaining staff, rather than burning next year to do that. Thats my point.

I agree on Pace, but I have seen nothing at all that makes me want to keep Nagy. PASSING GAME like Trestman, there are futuristic concepts, and they work(ed) for a while, but in the end it is football, and you cant outscheme the league perpetually RUNNING GAME a serious flaw. This guy has never called a game with a serious running attack. Over two teams and three seasons. this is his primary downfall. he is a passing guru, but this isnt video football. CULTURE a total bust. probably a guy youd LOVE to work with. In any other setting he'd be a rock star. But this is football, and the coddling is clearly hurting everyone. 1 out of 3 IS bad. Nagy has to prove it NOW to avoid being fired this year if I am the GM. If he can show it on the field, with Trubisky or Daniel, that would change things. But right now, I see a really friendly guy, a guy I LIKE, who has some crazy pass ideas and is failing in the run game and creating a competitive locker room. This is not rehab or a safe space. Its freaking football.

we'll see... but to be clear Im not making a prediction, Im saying what they should do, and if they keep Nagy, by the end of next year, youll wish they had done what Ive been saying.

We have a lot less ammo for getting a franchise QB than we do for getting a head coach. Maybe both need to go, but if you need to pick one to shake it up and see if you can salvage the other, Nagy is the more easily replaceable. Right now, from within. I think once we have 7 losses, this becomes a lot easier for Pace to think about. after 8 losses, it's "mathematical" and provides some cover. 3-6 would be good enough for me to KNOW the season is over though in terms of public perception. Does anyone here think we have any chance of playoffs at all, even in the most wild scenarios?

You gotta sit one of them - Nagy or Trubisky. Which one is easier to move on from? Which one, if they happen to flourish without the other, would be harder to replace? If you have a chance of saving Trubisky isn't that more valuable than a chance to save Nagy? In other words, which one do we have the capital to replace more easily? Surely we have more bullets to find a coach than to find a franchise QB. Also if both will never be good, moving Nagy now lets Pagano or Childress start making changes, and building for next year, and gives them a good window to truly evaluate Trubisky. If both will never be good and you move Trubisky, you will have to wait one or two more years to be sure that Nagy is the problem too. Firing Nagy now would be hard to do PR wise, but if we had a real team leader/owner, it'd be a smart bold move that would accelerate us a year earlier. But if youre gonna blow it all up, then you just let Nagy finish the year, and then fire Pace, and let the new guy clean house. And that's gonna take a while. ANd then Mack and the defense rot before the offense is good again.