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well said

To the point: Howard and Montgomery are very different backs. Nagy wants a guy with Montgomery's skill set. Pace identified the guy, and got some value for Howard who wasn't going to be used anyway. Had Howard been worth more, other teams would have bid up the price. To argue in the year that Pace won GM of the year, and put together this amazing roster so quickly, that Pace is a moron because of Jordan Howard, who averaged 3.7 yards a carry is ridiculous vs. the expenditure of a THIRD round pick. But then to put that argument into context of all the other negative "I am smarter than the Bears and everyone else" comments over and over again, you see that the guy is a real Skip Bayless. The negativity is one thing, but the arrogance makes it just SO cringe-worthy. It is hard to hold my tongue sometimes. I have never felt that way about any other member, whether I agreed with them or disagreed with them on any given topic. And I know I'm not the only one that sees him this way either. At any rate, Jason is now on record as being in camp Howard vs. camp Montgomery and we can see how they each perform over the next few seasons...

Yes, it's true that 10 years ago, when you were a moderator for a short time you abused your power for political purposes and didnt remove what I wrote, but actually REWROTE IT in your own words to seem as if it came from me. Youre like a power hungry cop that got kicked off the force in your first year. But that is just a symptom of who you are. Dont come at me because you cant stand that i criticized you on the merits of your post. I didnt say anything personal about you. It would be easy but I didnt. But like I said, youre a blowhard. You're mid level intelligence with all the Dunning Kruger effect possible to fit in one person. Youve got a childish chip on your shoulder. Pathetic.

you DO have to wait to see how the draft worked out to see how good you are at making picks, but you can know immediately whether you got good value. In other words, if youre buying a car, and you trade me $1,000 for $20,000 you definitely won that trade, even if you use the $20,000 to buy a really crappy car.

I couldn t like this post more.

depth for Cohen one assumes. They really want to be sure they can field Nagy's full offense no matter who (other than Trubisky) gets hurt.

Fast player. Possible Nickel. I think we picked him up for kick coverage.

yeah, Myopic, he's the new GM in Oakland...

Grizz, there is a huge difference between you and Jason. We can agree disagree whatever. People can be positive, negative whatever. Jason is an arrogant know it all that is totally myopic in his view and completely closed minded. You and others on this board with whom I agree and disagree are nothing like that. I love this page, and all the discussion, agree or not. but i sure do know a blowhard when I hear one.

Kiper has made errors, and he's been right too - youre right the proof will be on the field not what Kiper says. I bet on the field Montgomery proves Jason wrong. And the 12-4 vs 0-0 thing doesnt prove anything either. Then again Lovie never won NFL executive of the year. And I think we all know this Bears team would shred any Lovie Smith team. Is Jason better than Lovie/Angelo? doubtful. Is Jason better than Nagy/Pace? L.O.L.

exactly. On one hand we have NFL executive of the year as agreed by pros in the business who built the Bears into a 12-4 team, and on the other, Jason knows better. It is laughable. "They may win the Super Bowl, but it won't be enough to make up for the fact that they didn't do it the way I would have"

I guess he really was BPA - not a need position, but more talent. Go Bears! I guess this makes Gabriel a chess piece.

I dont see a WR. Thompson is a real possibility, so is Amani Oruwariye CB PSU And perhaps Joe Jackson at DE? Also the Michael Jordan of football is available LOL

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I think Kareem Hunt (the player not the person) is a good comparison to Montgomery. That's very different from Howard. I know we all loved Howard's hustle - he is a good guy, and I respect him. I truly hope he does well. But this guy is a different beast, with a different skill set. ANd once we all get over the shock of change, we are gonna love this guy. Also, good teams get rid of good players, we are very much not used to it, but many years the Patriots trade a good player in the last year of his contract. Everyone yells and screams. The player never plays as well in his new surroundings, and after a year or two, then everyone is attached to the player that was selected in part with the capital that was gained by trading the previous one, rather than keeping him another year and losing him to free agency. Montgomery has a lot of "make you miss" that Howard doesn't have, and he's got hands. I really like Montgomery.

He is a LOT livelier than Howard. He has a wicked change of direction that Howard never had.

YES

He will have 50 yard runs too tho. But the fastest defender can chase him down. That's OK for a running back, especially with Cohen available too. THis guy is not a power back. Hes got a lot of twitch. Think LeSean McCoy when he was with the eagles. He also has soft hands and played QB in high school - wildcat anyone?

Im gonna disagree. He's 5' 11" which is prototypical NFL running back size. He only looks short because he is wide. Youre right he isnt a home run hitter - hes more quick than fast, but he will take a lot of 3 yard gains and turn them into 5, 7 and 15 yard gains, and he does get rumbling for big gasins, he just usually gets caught from behind around the 10 yard line. Thats OK, in fact perfect for his role. He has great balance and vision and hes a real thumper. Plus he has hands. He has vision, but not the paitent kind Howard had. He hits the hole hard and can cut the zone plays in a single power step that took Howard a couple steps to accomplish. I think this is really going to take our running game to the next level in a way that meshes (pun intended) very well with Nagys system. By November, youre gonna love this guy.

fantastic.

OK, Drew Lock is a jerk. I totally see the Cutler comparisons. ugh. I really like Trubisky, Thank Pace we are rooting for someone likeable now. GO BEARS.

agree. A safety or a CB all things being equal, but they really do have the ability to go in an unexpected direction if a real value pick is sitting there. If a good QB falls, they could even take him. See Garoppolo, Foles and Cassel for why. You get a great B/U and double your value in trade once youve developed him. Not predicting that, just saying, we can really take any position if the value is there. All things being equal, S or CB is a good bet. TE, DE and RB are also possibles.

dont forget we got a 2nd back for a 3rd too, so it was a lot less than 2 24s!

I think there is an ideological difference here. Some people, and Jason I think has been consistent in this over the years, are position people. They identify the weakest link on the team, and want to target players to replace that position. Obviously, every team does some of this, and the worse the roster is, the more this is true. Other people prefer a best player available approach. Of course you need to have a fairly comp[lete roster to do that. The Bears havent been that team before, but i think starting this year, they are. Smart GMs like Pace fill holes with free agents before the draft so that they are flexible to take advantage of where value presents itself, regardless of position. Naturally, every real world draft is a blend of these two ideas. But I think that now more than ever, the Bears are able to take BPA, and that is very good news indeed. And BPS might BE a 3-4 DE. All I can predict is that Pace won't reach - in his own opinion anyway. I guess Im saying he doesnt HAVE to reach.

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