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I think the fact that Nagy will be calling the play mitigates the impact of the spread offense on our team. As an earlier poster said, it may well be that Helfrich was willing to take an OC position in the NFL where he wouldnt be calling plays because his association with the spread has made him less attractive to NFL teams. So this will probably be a chance for him to showcase his ability with more expected plays rather than the Bears bending all the way to a spread offense. That said, Trubisky did play in a spread shotgun offense, and so it may well be that Nagy is interested in incorporating some of Helfrich's concepts in some situations. One assumes this is also good news for Tarik Cohen, as space deemphasizes his size, and puts emphasis on his speed. On the flip side, having hired Harry Hiestand, and having Jordan Howard and Tarik Cohen running so well bodes for some emphasis on the running game too, and along with Nagy's own pedigree is with Reid's more pass happy WCO, gives us a lot of experience in a lot of different directions. I expect this means he will incorporate all these philosophies. If he can blend them well it would give us very broad capabilities. We may see an offense that can play different kinds of games against different opponents, like the Patriots do. One thing you can see here for sure. These guys are going to want wide receivers, so expect Pace to be active in free agency and the draft at that position. That's not news of course, but it's even more obvious now with Helfrich on board. I wonder what his opinion will do for the scouting department as far as identifying receivers and breaking down their various skill sets. Probably very good things. That goes for OL and Heistand as well. He probably gets a draft pick on OL in the first three picks we make. All the more reason to trade down if the blue chip WR isnt there at 8. Course with the expected QB feeding frenzy, that stud WR might be right there for us when we need him too.

Gorilla Man! hahaha great!

totally. you gotta figure if there is any chance Fangio is staying, that those conversations are happening today.

all excellent analysis AZ54.

If one does its a tremendous risk if the other one stays. If they dont win the Super Bowl, then people will say it was the other one, the one that retired that was the real key. Of course it was both of them, but you know how meathead sports fans talk.

Don't overlook Pete Carmichael Jr. Saints OC. Pace will know him well. New Orleans' offense has been very good under his direction. I think it's Carmichael or McDaniels and DeFillippi is the wild card.

exactly, and why it's wrong to judge Pace when these FA stop gap players dont turn into longterm starters. They were never meant to. They just fill holes while the roster fills with draftees.

I wonder if we could still get a draft pick for him at the right time in the market, converting some of last years ample salary cap room into draft value this year, even if the exchange rate is awful.

huh. That's interesting. theres no guaranteed money for Rogers being amortized against the cap? Or is that just how it works out this year? Maybe this is where in the contract the yearly salary equals the cap hit? Obviously I was joking about them releasing him, youre right that will never happen. But IF there's no hit for Rogers, and the rule needs enforcing, rather than losing a draft pick, maybe they WOULD cut him, and he'd immediately re-sign. So interesting. But yes, there is no way they will actually cut him and lose him. Thats impossible. If they did, itd be part of a BS legal tap dance, and given what you said about the cap situation. hmmm.

Plus the cap hit for cutting Rogers is gonna be huge LOL

I think they will take a long look at Frank Reich. He should be able to get the best out of Trubisky.

agree.

for sure. OLB and WR are our two biggest needs going into the offseason.

Youre smarter than the NFL. smarter than Pace, smarter than anyone but Steve Rosenblum, who you sound a lot like. OK Mr. Common Wisdom, youre right about everything. Every cliche is true. But back in the real world, youre overly sure of yourself, and under equipped to take these issues on.

If you dont understand the logic of it then that's your problem. Personally, I preferred the old tiebreakers, head to head, division, conference etc. But yes, if two teams have an equal record, the one that played inferior competition is worse. Youve got it backwards still. You dont get penalized for playing better teams, you are ELEVATED. The thing you're not grasping is that the draft is in reverse order and "penalizes" teams for being BETTER. By your logic, you get "penalized" for having a better record too. It's really not that hard to understand. The worst team picks first. DUH.

I agree with that too. Im just saying, I understand how the SOS works and why. I prefer it like they used to do it too.

LOL still my meaty friend. The draft is set to try to provide the worst teams with the first shot at talent. If you cant see that past your doublethink, then I think that just goes right along with my premise.

Probably not, but I am so sick of being lectured from above on the oversimplified sports writer truisms.

If two teams finish with the same record, it stands to reason that the team who played an easier schedule and still lost the same number of games is inferior to a team that managed the same record against tougher opponents. In other words, team X lost to the Patriots, and team Y lost to the Browns, so team X might be a better team and still lose, but we KNOW Y is terrible if they lost to the Browns. Does it make sense now? And given that you didn't understand it, maybe ease up on telling us all how wrong we are about everything, since you didnt really even understand this.

no to Demps please, that guy is terrible at any price.

I called this years ago. Looks like I was right. http://www.talkbears.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=9587

Thanks!

hahaha me too!

I've said this before, but there is an incredibly common belief that if you push people hard enough, or replace them, perfection is possible. It's like putting a gun to a stock broker's head and demanding the price of gold one month from now. Yes you've motivated him, but no, he still cannot predict the future. There is a skill for example to playing poker. The best players show up in the tournaments over and over, but they do not win every hand. Not by a long shot. We see them succeed by taking good risks, and having the big bets pay off more often than not. Damning Pace for cutting Gould for example is a mistake. At the time he'd missed a bunch of kicks, seemed to be declining, and had a cap number WAY out of line for a kicker. It made sense to cut him. That the other player drew that missing card to fill the inside straight is too bad, but it was still the right bet at the time. Same with Glennon and Trubisky. He went out and made sure we had a QB. He hedged bets, and spent draft picks. Ive heard people here say with certainty that Trubisky would be there at #3. But we know the Browns were trying to trade up, and we have heard that they were offering us packages too. I think if Trubisky blossoms next year, it won't look so bad. And Trubisky was picked a year early. He wasn't ripe. They needed an interim guy. Glennon was pursued by more than one team, and that tells you other GMs thought he was worth something too. If Pace had put all his eggs into the Glennon basket, then yes, he would be a bad GM. But he didn't. He didn't see that role for him. He wanted insurance against Trubisky needing a red shirt year. Free agency isn't how you build a franchise. You always overpay for talent that's not so young in that game. To expect that every Free Agent is going to be a pro bowler is nuts. Especially when they don't sign for Pro Bowl dollars. It's very easy to be the fan that says everyone is stupid. It's a tradition. We yell at the TV and it's astonishing that these highly paid people are SO dumb isn't it? Could it be instead that it's MUCH harder than it looks, and simply pointing to a bad play and saying "that is bad" is VERY different than locating players you can afford to fir your scheme as you build? I know Fox is gone. We were lucky to have him as a babysitter while we started building. Now it's time for a new coach to take the next step with. Pace is doing fine. He's drafted quite a few players who will be very good for us, and identified players to extend from our roster. Soon we will have a team, something we haven't seen in a long time. I don't just mean that they will be good, I mean that they will have been developed from inside, the way the Packers, Patriots and other solid franchises do it. If in 2 or 3 years we are still terrible, then Pace will be judged. Right now, he's doing pretty well in my book.

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