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I dont believe they intend to short change Trubisky, that's just how their ridiculous system ended up grading him. What I saw was a QB with a lot of great qualities who had a few really great games and a few poor ones. I also saw him grow from the beginning of the year to the end of the year. If he can string together more of those good performances, I think everyone will have to say that hes a top 10 QB in the league. I really think this is all just a matter of the draft day common wisdom that trading up was a bad move. I dont agree with that. But more so, even if it was true, it shouldnt tarnish the player, taken at 2 instead of 3. He isnt responsible for the picks they traded. It's all so silly. Just narratives bouncing around an echo chamber of media and internet people repeating the same things to each other.

well said adam. PFF is just silliness. They use real math to relate data which is really just opinions about performances from too small of a sample size. it would be as if I asked 5 of my friends to go a different movie each, and then asked them how they thought the one they saw rated on a scale of 1 to 10. You dont have the same people seeing the same movies so their internal rating systems dont even overlap. Then I hide behind actually good math relating that poor data and call it science. Ridiculous.

and the OL

I had Pineiro as my 7th round pick two years ago in the mock drafts. I am happy we are taking a look at him. If we end up with him, or better, I think we will be OK.

PFF = pfft

(said in soprano voice) OUCH! LOL

He definitely got better at the deep throw in the last part of ther season when he started to trust it and stopped aiming it. One thing I saw from him all of last year was a quick release. He may not have always made the right reads, but he made quick decisions, and as more of those decisions turn out to be the right ones, his rhythm should really shine

unless it's Parkey

Honestly it all goes back to the idea that Pace screwed up by trading from 3 to 2 to get him. I dont think he did, but that was a media narrative. Add that to the amazing year Mahomes had, and you get the "story" that Trubisky is a big mistake. Which is a nice story, but bears (ha bears) no resemblance to reality.

PFF always has ridiculous claims. They have their own metrics, and they obviously dont work.

amen

ahahahaha.

They sure whipped our butts for a couple decades with Favre and Rodgers. The lifetime series has the Packers ahead by two games. That means this year if we sweep them, we will be dead even after 100 years of football, heading into the meat of the Trubisky Nagy Pace era. Time for payback. I hate the Packers, but I LOVE to hate the Packers. It's not like New York and Philly fans who would actually fight in the parking lot. Who would Batman be without the Joker? I LOVE the Packers, thank god they exist so we can beat them.

AZ - right, but theyre saying it is literally night and day compared to training camp last year, not compared to week 17. I get that this is the new baseline that he grows from this year, and that awesome, but they arent saying this is a whole new Mitch Trubisky, theyre just saying he will keep growing from where he left off last year.

I think what they keep saying is how far ahead of where they were THIS TIME last year, not at the end of the season, and thats really not news. We have to see him progress from where he was at the end of last year - and I expect that too, but if you listen, thats not what theyre saying. Theyre not saying he isnt either, they are just saying safe things for the reporters

thats just because we had a team that hadnt had a GM since 1985, and we all thought we were better than the team that drafted David Terrell or Stan Thomas for example. Now that we see a real GM, we see where we actually stand.

ahahahaha

Because I know I could never do as good a job as Pace has done, but Im pretty sure I could ruin a team

I think Trevathan provides more leadership and continuity than any of us realize.

GO PACE. When I was a kid I had a fantasy of being the Bears' GM. Now that I see a real GM, I know I am nowhere good enough to help the team. Now I have a new dream. I want to be the Packers' GM.

I'm saying the scheme was new to NFL offenses. In 1985 about half the pass plays in an NFL playbook didnt have a hot read. In 1986 every pass play in an NFL playbook had one. Buddy had the alignment for a while etc, but he wasnt as blitz-happy as he was in 85, and that's what Im talking about. We had a team full of athletes, but against a decent offense from the 1990s we wouldnt have been anywhere near as dominant. Dan Marino sort of showed us that. Dont get me wrong, I have NEVER enjoyed watching football more than I did that 1985 season. That is my favorite team ever. They were amazing. But a big part of their dominance was the way they overwhelmed offenses with too many rushers for their rules to handle.

Hampton and Dent were the engine that made it go. Marshall and Wilson are also really underrated. And Buddy Ryan too. That scheme at the time was so alien no one knew how to deal with it.

well said

I'm gonna say David Montgomery. I don't think any of us realize how much more Nagy really wanted to run the ball last year than he was able to. I think Montgomery is going to be a stud in our offense. And if that's true, then Trubisky is going to be a big breakout too.

Urlacher had a lot of talent, but i think he is overrated as a football player. I remember the 85 team, and how they transcended Xs and Os. Urlacher didnt even get a ring. Ray Lewis was going to will his team to win games they would otherwise have lost. Urlacher did that once against the Cardinals in the famous "We let them off the hook" game. Urlacher was an all time great imposing his will in that one. In other games he was fast and hit hard, he made it tough on opposing quarterbacks, but he wasn't transcendent like Ray Lewis, the 85 front 7 or Dick Butkis. Those guys got in your head. They were scary. Urlacher was just good, and while he had incredible talent, I don't believe he was "great"