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yeah, he is leftover from the QB search. But the roster is pretty solid overall, injuries nothwithstanding. You can make arguments about wasted money, Trevathan comes to mind going into next year, but if you allow the guy his own process, and just judge the roster results, Pace is doing a pretty good job.

They sure are. Pace on the other hand is looking good for having both Dalton and Fields on the roster. A new owner is coming soon, and when better, than a year where the GM and coach's contracts are up. And maybe THAT is why they extended Pace and Nagy?

yes

I guess the doctors were saying there was some chance to avoid the surgery, and maybe it would respond to physical therapy, so theyd have him back more quickly than IR would allow?

Toub is definitely a leader of men. I suspect that GMs are hoping that a head coach will bring some coordinator magic with them. Theoretically, a head coach should run the team, and not be a coordinator, but the problem with that model is that if you have a guy you think is an offensive or defensive genius, someone is going to hire them away as a head coach. If your genius IS your head coach then you get to keep him as long as you like (or are willing to pay him). But yeah, for 99% of the all the coaches in the NFL, this isnt rocket science, and as I said in an earlier post, coordinator geniuses are rare, and usually they get figured out pretty quick anyway, so any competent coordinator can provide a professional product. So a real leader like Toub, could be an effective head coach even without any offensive or defense "magic" which Im saying doesnt really exist anyway, or not for long (excepting Belichick). Of course by this argument, Nagy might be a good head coach too, if he focuses on that aspect and not trying to out trick 100 years of football offense. We've all seen this before. Trestman, Shoop, Crowton - they all had special sauce. In some cases it never worked. But even in the best cases, like Sean McVey, who invented a wrinkle that totally confused the NFL for about 10 months, then the Ravens came in and totally shut it down, and within a couple weeks,. the whole league figured out how to beat it. Same with Lovie. The Tampa Two was dominant for a while, but then the league figured it out. So if there is no such thing as a consistent genius coordinator who outperforms the league year in and year out, then maybe the best thing is to forget that dream, and get a head coach who can lead men. And that is a good argument for Toub.

I think you always know your own team best. We see assistants on other teams and think "THERE's a guy" and while we know the downsides of our guys, because we are so familiar with them, often all we know of the other guys are the highlight clips etc. I think most of them on the league are competent, meaning they are professionals. I suspect there are hundreds more people just as qualified who arent coaching in the NFL. The trick is to find the ones that are special, the ones who make a different and get you wins. And that is a VERY short list indeed, and those guys are almost never available. So you try to find someone you think MIGHT have promise to become one of those guys. ANd if they dont, you fire them and do it again. And all the while the odds are low that you will find Bill Belichick. So yeah, DeFilippo and Desai are on that list, because all the other guys on the list are competent but unspectacular too.

interesting. I still think Jenkins will play Left Guard this year, allowing Whitehair to move to center.

My guess is he goes to LG, and Whitehair moves to Center.

put him at left guard and move whitehair to center?

I do believe that some refs are petty tyrants. I do believe that some refs seek ego satisfaction and even revenge against certain players for personal reasons. I do not believe the refs try to throw a game for one team or another, or that the league is involved in anything like that.

+1

Right. Good player development, but with those ingredients, the chefs couldnt win it. Fire Nagy, but for sure keep some of the players on this team.

I think all the good influence that Nagy had on the Chiefs offense is starting to fade. But I mean, he set them up for several years of dominance. Hes a genius. Be you!

exactly. that is a real bright spot. Now if we can just replace mustipher...

yes, I agree.

I think we saw our team today. We saw the strengths, the weaknesses - the roster. For the first time we could see it because the game plan and play calling was regular. It wasnt inspired and genius, but it wasnt random and illogical. It was regular football. We have a way to go, and Fields has to keep developing. But if anything is clear from today, it is that you could see FOOTBALL for the first time since Nagy was here. Not overly cute fancy and out of rhythm calls. We have a lot to fix before we will be a contender, but there is no reason for Nagy to even return.

I just called... to say... you're fired.

100%

yeah but when the running game is working so well, how can you only get 3 points out of it?! THAT is bad coaching.

If your concern is the psychological impact of fields getting hit on his future career, consider the psychological impact of being replaced. At least now he can fight through. Also, Ive seen nothing about Fields' demeanor that indicates he cant handle this. The team might play better week to week with Dalton, but we pulled the trigger on Fields. We ALL did, and now we have to see that through.

agree

So then why didn't Pace play that card during the offseason? Count that as another BIG mistake.

as a coach, how do you get the performance you got from Herbert, and still not manage more than 3 points? It's not like Nagy has the answers and the players are failing him. Herbert had one great run after another, but once again, Nagy failed to create a rhythm out of the running game, and covert it into points. It doesn't take an expert to see this train wreck now.

I have a theory that Pace sees firing Nagy as disloyal - and that is absolute malpractice, and will result in Pace being fired as well. Unless the people above Pace have the same problem.

If youre going to fire Pace next year, why saddle the new GM with a coach he didnt pick? And potential coaches know this. So unless you promote from within (Pettine) firing Nagy and keeping Pace right now would mean Pace wouldnt have a chance at the top candidates for head coach. This failure of leadership happens above Pace, and should have fired them both last year, and really needs to fire them both this year, at whatever the most advantageous time for getting the best replacements are.