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I agree, there is a whole lot of BS on this board right now. Reading draft papers and then digging on the Bears for not following "conventional wisdom" is the kind of thinking that got us players like David Terrell. For many years, we took conventional wisdom picks. Now we have a staff that does their own homework and knows how to take risks. GOOD.

We are not a set team. We will and should continue to try everything and see what works. If you can find a good Left OT on the current squad, that's totally worth the lost cohesion at this point. This is the same logic that had us take a big risk on Trubisky. Some day, when we are a good team, we won't take as many chances,a nd we will honor cohesion and all that, but we arent there yet, so we should try everything.

Awesome. I agree. And yes we have reached for both Trubisky and Shaheen, but maybe that's the price of getting into the game with some players.

Yeah not saying Pace has info others dont, just that he is in a position to take riskier picks, and teams that are more complete take safer picks to plug fewer holes.

I think it's like how you tell a 22 year old to make higher risk investments for retirement plans. Where we are, we need playmakers, not just solid hole pluggers at this point. So it makes sense, to take some flyers on players.

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I think the question is whether you want to try to make the difference between 6-10 this year and 9-7 at best OR whether you want to try to build a team that can be 12-4 on a repeating basis. The path to winning was clearly demonstrated to us by the Cubs, who endured 4 awful seasons to push value forward and corner the market on talent in a future window so that they now are World Series winners AND one of the youngest teams in the league. The Patriots and Packers have shown what stability in an organization looks like. When a scout looks at an OLB for the Packers, he knows exactly what that position has looked like in his team for 20 years. He knows which attributes are crucial, and which weaknesses hide well in that context. THAT is what Ernie Accorsi put us on the path to. We are going to need to build through the draft for a while, as we improve. We are building a base with depth, and it takes TIME and DISCIPLINE. No one can say if Trubisky will be the guy. I dont even think Pace is saying he KNOWS. But he's making the right moves to get from here to there, and one way or another we WILL have a franchise QB in the next few years. If Glennon and Trubisky suck, you can bet he's gonna go right back to that well and pay the going rate to take another swing. So yeah, if you wanted to maximize wins THIS YEAR, then you could have done different things in Free Agency, and draft solid ready contributors rather than higher risk reward players who have higher ceilings, even if they have lower floors. Safe is not the right strategy for us at this point, we need to be swinging for the fences, and Pace has the balls and apparent job security to do it. Booing Trubisky at the Bulls game was a joke.

NFL Network had him at 52, and we took him at 45. Not reaching, I agree.

on the NFL site, he pretty much got drafted right about where his grade was. He was the 53rd best player and we took him at 45.

Keep in mind it wasnt their WHOLE draft either, they had just taken Myles Garrett

Right on Jason.

Yup! and LOL @ Mongo for his comment too! GO BEARS.

So the failure of other GMs is a predictor of Pace? But the internet is smarter? A lot of people thought Leaf was good too. We'll see.

Conspiracy theory that even I dont believe: With the OT off the board, all the next ranked players were defensive players or OG/RB, and Pace is rebuilding the offense side of the ball and already has OG and RB. LOL I know...

Or add a high pick next year. Remember they had a ton of picks at that point too, 2 or 3 second rounders etc.

Great. I hope he's still there for us at 2.04

and Cleveland! THey have tons of extra picks and could afford to sweeten the pot in a trade, and notice we didnt need another #1 or #2 so your point about SF getting Thomas is true. But Cleveland posed a serious threat, and look what KC paid to leapfrom them for Mahomes. Cleveland didnt overpay, they did it right, and as a result, they are making calls for a trade for AJ McCarron right now.

1. I wouldnt be surprised. 2. Or traded, but again yes. 3. Yeah this is probable (hopefully!) no matter how the team is doing. I agree.

Right on. Im not sure he's betting his career that Trubisky will work out, but maybe just that he is taking the right risks. It all depends on his communication with ownership, but yes over time, you gotta win more than you lose for sure. This is an important pick for sure.

Have you seen him play? From the little I read he sounds good, his value is about right too. Maybe an excellent pick.

Got it, your prediction as GM is that Glennon is a better choice for us than Trubisky will be. OK We will see. Every GM talks about BPA, and you are a pick based on position guy AND devalue the QB position LOL Pace did the right thing, professional meathead TV and online website analysts will whine about and some fans will join their outrage. Meanwhile, this is what a real GM looks like. We haven't had one in Chicago for a long time. THANK YOU Ernie Accorsi!

Right, so youre of the camp that these guys need to be able to predict the future and if they cant fire em and get someone else at GM until you find someone that can predict the future. And heres whats so funny about that. First off its a fantasy, no one will ever be able to predict the future. Secondly, and even funnier, it means YOU are employing the same strategy that Pace is LOL You will keep changing guys until one proves he can predict the future. So youre actually cool with the strategy, you just think its easier to find someone who can predict the future than to find someone who can play QB. Let me also suggest that if there was a cant miss QB that professionals could easily see was going to be the guy, he wouldn't have been available at #3, #2 or for any trade. The Browns just would have picked him. So back here in the real world, Pace is choosing the only strategy that could result in us having a good QB. He's paying the high market price to take legitimate shots at finding an NFL franchise QB. If it's not Trubisky, we will take another shot.

I agree that LOT becomes a more important position now, and so does WR and TE. But I don't agree that Pace has staked his career. As fans, we and the pundits see everything as a test. If you pick the right guy youre a genius, and if you pick the wrong one youre an idiot. But no GM can actually predict the future. You can pay someone millions of dollars and threaten to kill their family if they don't correctly pick next weeks stock prices, but there is no way they can. They can take educated guesses, and make weighted risks, and over time the good ones will win more than they lose, but to think anyone in the NFL can tell you with certainty who Trubisky will be in 4 years is nonsense. It's like a world champion poker player. That guy or girl wins routinely, and you see them at the top of tournament after tournament, but you cannot tell them they have to win any specific hand of poker. They cannot control the cards. Over time, playing the odds they will be successful, but you can't assume anything on any individual hand before the cards are dealt. The criticism of having Glennon and Trubisky is also based in the same outlook. It assumes that anyone could know with certainty how either of them will be. No one does. What Pace is doing is taking calculated risks at the position. If he thought, for example, that there was a 30% chance that Trubisky could be Peyton Manning, then the price he paid wasn't too high at all. That doesn't mean that he KNOWS Trubisky will be, or that if Trubisky isn't that good that Pace should get fired. Sure owners with control fantasies may fire guys for misses, but smart ones (and Im not saying we have any smart owners, Im speaking to the people here) will look at the overall plan and judge THAT. In other words, let's say you're the GM of the Bears. Let's say a fairy came down and magically had foresight to tell you that if you choose 3 QBs in the next 6 years, and paid a total of 1x 1st, 1x 2nd, 4 x3rd round picks, plus free agent money but that one of them would turn out to be Peyton Manning, would you do it? Cuz if you just did the safe thing, you could trade down every year, add more middle players to the defense and special teams coverage and never get that guy at QB. That's not what Pace is doing. He is not telling you he knows how Trubisky or Glennon will be. He is spending value on high upside guys at the position until he knows he has one. Imagine hypothetically that Glennon turns out to be amazing, a top 3 QB, and Trubisky never develops, Youre mad at Pace then? Our odds of having good QB play are very high now, although I cannont say which one (or both) will be the guy. That's realistic. Keep in mind he did all this without spending any extra first or second round picks. Pretty good Pace. I see you.

OK but the idea is that other teams were offering trades to SF, not that SF was going to take Trubisky.

Right! There ARE no sure things. You gotta keep taking educated shots until one pays off. Thats all this is.