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This is how everyone will see it, but the truth is probably more like if you see a guy who has a 40% chance to be a Franchise QB, is he worth your first round pick, a 3rd and a 4th and a future 3rd? I think the answer is yes. You dont ever get a franchise QB unless you take a shot at some, and I think we paid the appropriate price for a shot at one. People will write that Pace had to KNOW, but in truth, he doesnt KNOW, no one can, he's making a gamble, and if he tries enough times, one of them will end up hitting, and then you have a franchise QB. If there was a a GM who could predict the future wed know it, so no matter what the sportwriters say, what you have is Pace making the right bet on a pair of jacks. If he makes the right bets enough times, we will have a good team. But he didnt give up any future #1s, he didnt even spend a #2. THis was a good bet, and has a decent chance of paying off. The rest of this boom bust stuff whether Pace or Lynch KNEW is just for the papers. It's not real.

I agree with both. Also to those who say we spent too much, we didnt spend a 1st or a 2nd, look what KC spent to move to get Mahomes, a 3rd and next years first! We didnt get robbed, we paid a fair price, and we may now have a QB for the future.

OK there goes Ramczyk. I dunno enough about the Alabama OT. I guess anything but QB, RB, OG is possible. BPA. Trade down maybe.

Yes. That's correct!

I think Ramczyk is the pick if he's there. Otherwise, it's hard to say. We don't have the 3rd rounder now, so if we have a sleeper, we might reach for him. Could be DB, TE, WR even DL

LOL Jason, dude youre on the record, your bet on Trubisky is "no" right?

Jason if Glennon and Trubisky are both good, then we can make a fortune trading one of them. The money wouldnt be wasted, it would be converted into future draft choices, like what the Cubs did for a few years building this young talented team.

1. Clearly there was another suitor for the Niner's 2nd pick. I think the Browns are the most likely, who else had enough ammunition to make us pay two thirds and a fourth? But they were at 12, and we were at 3, so SF went with us. 2. 2 3rds and a 4th isnt THAT high a price to get a franchise QB. 3. Even if you think there is a 35% chance that Trubisky can be a Super Bowl winning QB someday, the price of swinging the bat on that is pretty high sure to market scarcity. 4. Our guys have to really believe in Trubisky! 5. If Trubisky plays well, we have Glennon to trade, who was highly desired this year, and now you dont even have to pay him a signing bonus, so all that value gets converted into draft picks for us. We may get more than we gave for Trubisky back. If that happens, then Pace was smart not to get suckered in Free Agency just because he has a bunch of cap room, and instead converted 2017 cap dollars into 2018 draft picks. Thats like what the Cubs did while they were building too. 6. Yes Pace is on the line with this choice, if our QB play isnt great in the next couple years, then he is done. But he didnt act out of fear, he swung hard, and I hope he hits it out of the park. There are a lot of good reasons to believe in Trubisky, and that's exciting. 6. Between Glennon and Trubisky the odds are pretty high we are going to have a good QB. That is worth a lot too.

Clearly the Browns were on the phone with the Niners, and set the price. This means that we really liked Trubisky, and the scarcity in the market of top quality QBs, or even people that have a CHANCE of being one drives the price here. Remember we bid for Mariotta and Goff too, and failed, so this was Pace's shot I think. We can debate the cost, but with Glennon and Trubisky, we are going to have a QB pretty soon one way or another. And that has a lot of value too. Also, Glennon was courted by multiple teams at a pretty good price. If Trubisky plays well, We have Glennon's contract for 2 years to sell to a team who wouldnt owe him much at ALL, so all that value would be in draft picks to us, and any team, especially one in cap hell could bid. This could be very shrewd indeed.

TRUBISKY!!! WOW! OK well there ya go. They paid the price they must believe in him. This will be Pace's guy forever.

we paid next year's third, and this years 3rd AND 4th! better be an impact player. Pace this is your guy. This is your legacy.

WOW TRADE!!!!

True, that's how we and the press would treat him, but I dont see him as one to act out of fear. I think hes going to do what he thinks is right based on the information he has now. I dont think he will hedge picks to be defensive about how it could look for him etc. I think hes got his philosophies and hes going to play the draft the best way he can based on his scouts information and what his core beliefs are.

That's encouraging! I'm sure Pace & Co. are taking a long look at it, especially since they went after him last year! I hope it turns out to be good for us!

If he isn't diminished as a result of the injury then sure, but there's a reason they let him go too. Maybe the medical outlook isn't good. But yeah, every team in the league could use another good young DL.

yeah that would be insanely great, but I think the more likely scenario, if it happened at all, would be more lower picks this year, that we could package to move back into the 1st round. But yeah wow. Thatd be great for us, not so great for cleveland!

Exactly.

Pressure makes diamonds. And flattens frogs on the highway.

If this is posturing, it's to try to get someone to trade with us, someone who wants Watson a little later and is afraid we might take him. Someone who maybe has a pick around say 12 who could overreact in 2 ways to our benefit, either: 1) trading their 12th pick for our 3rd to take him OR 2) Taking him #1 overall to avoid us taking him before they pick again at #12, ensuring that Garrett falls out of the #1 spot. I would say this means we are less likely to take Watson at #3, if it means ANYTHING at all LOL

I agree. In fact I wouldnt be shocked if 3 of the top four picks go to QB, WR and TE.

I can see it either way, but I agree I wouldnt be surprised at all. If a trade is involved, then so much the more likely, either down from #3 OR up from our second round, especially since a first round pick gets an extra contract year, so it's worth trading up from the 2nd round a few slots to the late 1st, even if your guy was still going to be there in the early second...

yup.

Yeah I like Acho. He hustles. Glad to see him back.

This.

I think it just matters what they think of the QB prospects. I think you're probably right that they dont value any of them that highly, and wont take a QB at #3, but if they DO think any of these guys is the man, then having Glennon on the squad shouldnt make any difference to the pick?