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I totally agree, and Im not saying that any of the QBs this year are that good. Just that they are free to make whatever choice they want this year, Glennon or no. I agree.

If Pace & Fox think any of the QBs are franchise Hall of Fame types, they'd be nuts not to take him at #3. I dont think any of them are, but the idea that someone needs to play right away to turn the team around doesnt make sense. They need to do whatever they think will be in the long term interest of the team, thats what all this rebuilding has been about.

I dont think this has anything to do with that, if it did, theyd wait until after the draft to cut him. They wouldnt want to signal their intentions like that.

I agree. I think this is exactly it. Pass Rusher, QB, or Adams are all likely.

exactly

Emery pick, and didnt fit the 3-4. Part of the cost we paid to do a complete overhaul. This all goes back to Ernie Accorsi. He put this together 2 years ago. It's going to take another year or so to actually take shape. Maybe two. Look at how the Cubs paid the price for about 4 years. Signing players and trading them for picks and younger players. It was a concerted effort to give up on the current season to build a team that can contend for the Championship. This is why Pace didn't go harder in Free Agency. I think Pace is looking at a Best Player Available draft, period. Yes if you think one of the QBs is a HOF QB you take him, and that would be BPA too anyway. But I think he can pretty much take any position regardless of the roster.

Unless we have a gold star rating on one of the QBs, I would love to see us trade down. When your team is openly saying in the newspaper that they are rebuilding, and that it's gonna take more than just this year - theyre saying this out loud so you KNOW it's bad, then we can use all the picks we can get. An extra 2nd or 3rd is what this team really needs, unless a Hall Of Fame QB is sitting there...

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The Bears wont ever move because Chicago is a huge media market.

That draft would make me very happy. I don't have the information or skills to know if Watson is a franchise QB or not, but if we took him that high, it would mean that Pace thoguht so, and so then I'd think so too, and be thrilled with that draft! LOL I do think DL / OLB and QB will be 2 of our first 3 picks.

well said. Finally a GM has the balls to take the long view - I'm very happy with Pace so far.

Agree 100% - having made the moves he's made he is not precluded from drafting a QB in any way or in any round. The question remains whether any of the QBs in the draft are franchise players of course, but I agree, the moves he's made so far are consistent with either possibility. In other words, you cant read Pace based on the signings.

Right, and it means there is a place for a 4-3 type DE player on the roster too. I think we have a lot of options in the draft.

Pace said it: "Ryan Pace mentioned that the Bears were in “sub” defensive packages 60 percent of the time last season, meaning NOT in their preferred 3-4 scheme. That was happening very early last season when players noted the Green Bay Packers going to nickel personnel on offense, forcing the Bears to react with nickel defensive personnel" http://www.csnchicago.com/chicago-bears/nf...ars-plans-no-11 So he didn't mean 4-3, he meant 4 man front, which is true. We don't have 4 LBs on the field even half the time.

I don't think he meant 4-3, I think he meant 4 man defensive front i.e. Nickel (4-2)

No he means when we are in Nickel with 4 DL and 2 LB, which is a lot given all the 3 WR sets in the NFL.

Glennon 2016 10/11 90.9% 75yds 6.8avg 1 TD (9.1%) 0 INT (0%) Rating 125.4 (sample too small) 2014 117/203 57.6% 1,417yds 7.0avg 10 TD (4.9%) 6 INT (3%) Rating 83.3 2013 247/416 59.4% 2,608yds 6.3avg 19 TD (4.6%) 9 INT (2.2%) Rating 83.9 Career 374/630 59.4% 4,100yds 6.5avg 30 TD (4.8%) 15 INT (2.4%) Rating 84.6 Cutler 2016 81/137 59.1% 1,059yds 7.7avg 4 TD (2.9%) 5 INT (3.6%) Rating 78.1 (small sample) 2015 311/483 64.4% 3,659yds 7.6avg 21 TD (4.3%) 11 INT (2.3%) Rating 92.3 2014 370/561 66% 3,812yds 6.8avg 28 TD (5%) 18 INT (3.2%) Rating 88.6 2013 224/355 63.1% 2,6,21yds 7.4avg 19 TD (5.4%) 12 INT (3.4%) Rating 89.2 Career 2,782/4,491 61.9% 32,467 7.2avg 208 TD (4.6%) 146INT (3.3%) Rating 85.7 When it's all said and done: Cutler is 3% more accurate Cutler throws 15% longer passes Glennon throws 4% more TDs per pass Cutler throws 38% more INTs per pass So Cutler and Glennon have similar skill sets, but Cutler throws longer more often, resulting in higher yards per pass, and significantly more interceptions, but not more TDs. A guy like Brett Favre throws long risky passes, but he wins a lot of them too, so lots of interceptions and lots of TDs. Cutler doesn't really throw more TDs than Glennon, he just takes more risks.

Glennon is reportedly on a team friendly deal. There is nothing about his signing to prevent Pace from taking a QB with the #3 pick if he thinks someone is worth the value. Having a vet at the helm that you can jettison while seeing if a rookie has the goods is a fine plan, especially given how hit or miss rookie QBs are. I cant say that Pace WILL take a QB at #3, but I can say that if he thinks one of them is worth it, there is no cap problem with paying Glennon this year and developing a young QB under a rookie contract. Since picking QBs isnt easy, it makes sense to take a shotgun approach and see what develops. And of course these arguments work equally well for a QB taken in the 2nd or 3rd rounds too. Pace can take the BPA at #3 regardless of position, QB or not.

Good GMs address needs in Free Agency before the draft so they are free to go BPA. If a great player isnt available in free agency, then it is important to address the position, but not to overpay. If you do that, and make good evaluations of players and draft well, you build a team. Otherwise, you end up overpaying for players, and you never catch up with the curve. We've been doing that for decades. Now someone has the balls to tear it down and build it right. It takes time, but not signing big names to huge contracts, and having the patience to build the team is exactly what we need. We're doing the right things, the key is whether we draft the right people. These signings give us the flexibility to draft value. The real test will be in who we choose. But this approach to Free Agency is the right one. And in truth most of these players improve the team, but they don't take them over the top. Studs at fair prices are only found through the draft.

I think when all the smoke clears, it will be Shaw, maybe Hoyer and Trubisky/Watson

You never want to go into the draft with a NEED. If you have any glaring holes, you want to sign Free Agents to fill them. Obviously you can't always put quality free agents into every position, but you want to have the flexibility to make best player available picks, and have at least a backup plan for every position in case you cant draft them because other opportunities arise, a player gets taken right before your pick etc. You can count on the Bears signing a free agent wide receiver for example.

If you want to win a Super Bowl, you generally need to have a franchise QB. There don't even seem to be 20 of those in the league at any given time. Drafting a QB in the low rounds and giving them time to develop does not usually result in anything like hitting on a first rounder. Choosing QBs is difficult, but the question you're really asking here is, go 9-7 to save your job, or make moves to TRY to win a Super Bowl some day? I would hope that Fox and Pace wouldn''t sell out that dream for a couple year's salary. I think they do what they can to build a winner as fast as possible, but not a hollow one, not one that can never reach the summit. I dont see them selling out, and I think if they draft well, including a first round QB if they think there is one worth it, that they will have enough horsepower to go 8-8 or better next year anyway. I dont think they will see these are distinct options, but instead will do some of both. But if there is a QB you like, you take him. If you see a franchise QB that can lead you to the Super Bowl, but you think other GMs won't take him until the 18th pick, you can try to trade down etc, but if he's your guy, you can take him with the 3rd overall pick. Im not saying they will do that. They might take a stud at another position with the 3rd pick, but it will be because they think that is the best move toward winning a Super Bowl, and not just to save their butts. I dont think their butts are on the line this year anyway. Not Pace at least, and that's what really matters to this question anyway.

They get paid market value to sacrifice their bodies, and no one is putting a gun to anyone's head to agree to any contract. To have to pay someone until they are 65 as an NFL starter is ridiculous.

Best Bears outcome is that Cleveland, or someone early overpays with one of their high picks for Garrapolo. That moves all the other QBs down one slot, and that's good news for the Bears. Therefore, the more teams that show interest in Garrapolo, the better. Therefore, the Bears should signal that they are very interested in him, and would be willing to trade the #3 pick overall. And not actually trade for him. Of course a lot of teams will think that too, and they will be showing fake interest too. That also makes a smokescreen for anyone with their eye on a top 3 QB (Kizer, Trubisky, Watson) so i figure a LOT of teams will profess love for Mr. G. at this point.

good analysis.