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Well remember that Ernie Accorsi picked Pace, and he has as much NFL cred as anyone. I think the thing is, whether you're looking for a GM or a franchise QB, that there are no proven winners available. You either have to take someone who's won before but has been in decline, or you have to take someone young who has promise but hasn't proved it yet. And that means that you take a risk. I think you take that younger guy and you give him a few years to grow, and then you find out if you found the next superstar or not. Pace, Nagy, Trubisky, Philips - none of you is a superstar. Thanks for trying. Let's take another swing of the bat. No one know for sure, but once youve evaluated them in the NFL for a few years THEN you do know. So I cant say who the right pick is, and we might swing and miss again, but it's time to trade in the cards we have and take new ones.

but with a good GM and coach, we'd be totally different of course

we should have fired Nagy mid season last year, and determined that Trubisky sucked then too, like i said, and it cost us a year and the window on the defense, like I said too. And to think, how much better might this have looked if they had a player at OLT...

they werent gonna win a superbowl either.

maybe we should all agree to become Chiefs fans or something. Seriously, at this point what am I still rooting for? The uniform? Its cant still be 1985...

Yes, if you're going to fire Pace, you have to FINALLY remove Ted from his role too. HE is the common variable. He's had his fun. Decades of it. And the results are clear. Enough.

right. no coaching, and no ability to develop. Also, having just watched the last 20 minutes of the Lions game. Fire Nagy today.

we can shoot the messenger all we like, but Trubisky is not a good QB, and part of his problem is mechanics, which is something anyone of any talent level could fix with discipline and concentration. Similarly, no matter how good or bad Leno is, if he is trying to block the wrong guy, it doesnt matter, and even pee wee football players can be taught how to figure out who theyre supposed to be blocking. This all comes down either to drafting people without the mental abilities to learn how to play football or epic failure of coaching. Or Both.

In the example above, Trubisky had a clean pocket.

Yes! Let Vic run the team and the defense, and he will bring in an OC who runs the ball. I dont want a Jetsons futuristic offense.

I think that any guaranteed money (signing bonus etc which is a good percentage of these high priced players' contracts) becomes due on the first teams cap in the year that the player is traded. Salary goes to the nes team, but these huge guarantees stay with the team that signed them.

Holy hell. That stat encapsulates what we've all been feeling, but couldn't quite express with the strings of wins here and there.

I dont know if Pace will be fired or not. Im 50/50 on that. If someone better is available, then I am all for it. But the rest have to go NOW no matter what. if the decision is made already, and they are waiting for the season to be over, then so be it. But whoever makes the decision, Pace or the McCaskeys, if they don't already know that Nagy is gone after this year, then they don't deserve our attention.

yes

wisdom

We should have hired an offensive genius instead of... oh.

I am not sure they havent already been castrated tho.

Howard was cut today, so you can have him if you really want him.

Imagine how much further along wed be if we had fired Nagy last year - and maybe even Pace...

good point - you dont win with trickery alone - at some point you just have to block the person in front of you. and when Pros do that, they average 3 yards a carry. You work to get that to 4 or 5, but any professional team ought to be able to get 3, and we dont.

True. The one good thing that Pace has done is to put our defense into a Parcells mode, with Parcells tree guys. At the very least that means if you bring in another Parcells guy, you dont need to redo your defensive tackles etc. As for the offense, I think Nagy put a premium on light mobile offensive lineman - they can pull and do all the fancy T formation stuff he likes, but at what cost? They cant open a hole, they dont hold pass blocks, and apparently they dont even know who their assignment is. We've had two of the best OL coaches in the game and Charles Leno still doesnt know who to hit. And therefore Pace doesnt know who to draft, or Nagy is hamstringing his choices. Bring in the next guy but make him also a Parcells tree guy, and we will be OK. Coach or Coach AND GM, as long as they play a 3-4 and have the Parcells philosophies in players, we can keep some of the cultural gains.

The offensive line is a fire-able offense for Pace, but what we cant know is how much Nagy had sway over these decisions. You see how Pace did on Defense, and you wonder if Pace was serving his head offensive coach's offensive desires, or whether he is a meathead too.

yup - thats the usual plan.

for sure. You never force a GM to keep a coach. I suppose you might have a deal where the new GM keeps the coach for ONE YEAR while they take the time to find the replacement. That certainly does happen with scouting departments, but any new GM hire has to know he has the right to hire his coach.

Im 50/50 on firing Pace, but you make a lot of good points.