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no it doesnt. I have served on a grand jury before. getting indicted means nothing more than that you dont know and should have a trial. there are many innocent people indicted all the time. Hell studies say 10% of people convicted and in prison are innocent.

I guess, but if they DID know, you think that should have destroyed his career? Maybe they did know. But even if they didnt, what would they have done differently if they had known?

Don't forget the most important of all - Trubisky! This team has a ton of potential and a really good staff. Should be fun to see what they can become.

I am not defending sexual assault in any way whatsoever. I don't think we can fairly assume any guilt or innocence based on what we know. Assumptions like that are unfair, and that's why we have a trial procedure. Just a point of logic, I have no feelings either way about Patricia, or any opinion on what he did or didn't do.

I totally have this problem. Giant cock, and NO idea what to do with it.

I dunno brother, maybe you're prepaying some karma for some really good news

Thanks Pix! Hope you're feeling OK.

i agree he is competition and insurance, question being for which role

OK, so first off I have been a big fan of Howard. I love his heart, his vision and the way he finishes his runs. But I wonder if this isn't his one year audition as a piece of Nagy and Helfrich's offense. There was all that business about trading him before the draft too. Even if it was nonsense, it's a sign that people see that he might not fit with the new scheme. Now that said, he's a hell of a runner, and has the possibility of greatness in him. His numbers have been very good, and on a winning team he could really get some attention. So I think they see his obvious skills, and may have reservations about his pass catching abilities, and I somehow think he will have this year to show them how he fits. Maybe he will catch better than expected, or maybe he will run so hard, he will make them accept lesser hands. But I think this is kind of like a contract year for Howard. And I think Nall isn't the next cohen, I think he's competition for Howard, who WOULD have value in a trade next year, if they decide he isn't the right fit. I think they, and certainly I, are giving him the benefit of this season to show how he fits. If he excels, I'll be thrilled. If not, then the Nall signing makes a lot of sense as insurance.

Or maybe they want to start him at OG because he isnt ready to make the protection calls at center yet, even if that is his ultimate destination?

I think they genuinely want to say the right thing. But I just care that they want to win more than anything else in their lives.

Im a cynic. I think they mostly say it to ingratiate themselves with the fans. But who cares. I have my memories of the 85 Bears, I don't need Roquan Smith to be a fan of that team. What I DO need is for him to be a fan of himself and THIS team. I think Pace and Nagy are building a culture of winning. We definitely see them choosing leader types. The arrow is pointing up for sure.

see? and what the heck did I know? Smith it was.

LOL, I was early on the ILB train!

agree with all of this.

you're totally right it's a multidimensional problem. And that's what Jason is saying too in his hedges. And that's all correct! The problem is Jason thinking we are smarter than the GMs, and informed enough to even place these bets on the same level. It's easy to point at things that don't work out, but champion poker players don't always get cards either. They can't win a given hand by force of will. But over time, making enough bets, their skill will show over other players. So let's not be pulling apart every move Pace makes as a giant mistake, and look at his overall body of work. I mean, to go from where we were to this level of talent and coaching staff, and to only be able to moan about Hroniss Grasu and some lost picks in a trade that got a potential franchise QB? That's crazy. Or meatheaded I guess is the better term

"Be Yourself" is a very different message than say, the Belichick message, but it's one the Philadelphia Eagles embraced and they seem to have figured out the formula: be aggressive, don't play not to lose, play to win. When you're up 21 points with 7 minutes to go, don't go into a prevent, etc. That will definitely lose you some games, and win you others. Pace and Nagy seem like it. There are some philosophies about going for it on 4th down, and going for 2 that are mathematically sound, but unpopular. I wonder if we will see some of that from Nagy. Remember - every gambles wins AND loses. The first time Nagy is aggressive and doesnt get it, let's not all whine that we want to go back to running the ball for 3.5 yards a carry and playing cover 2 all the time. That's not for the NFL. This will be fun to watch, but just like Packers fans learned with Brett Favre, you can cheer the heroics, but you'll throw interceptions too. Awesome. I'm ready. I think we will become a dangerous team. Maybe not always consistent, but dangerous for sure.

LOL, imagine a GM saying this. Youd be all over that. Boy are you a meathead.

Ok, so youre on the record now, saying you'd bet your first round draft pick on Mike McGlinchey. And youre sure he is the guy. And meanwhile he had one of the best guards in years playing right next to him, AND the Bears have his coach, the best OL coach in all of football, on the staff too, and yet they didn't take him.

I agree. I read they will move kwit to OLB to compete with Lynch.

Also, while I agree it is a lot of fun, as fans to do these predictions, and everyone is entitled to their opinions... My point isn't that I am better at this than Jason, my point is that none of us is on the level of Pace and Halas Hall. It is totally weird that for 20 years this team didn't have a GM. They were very bad at this then, and MAYBE one of us could have done similarly than NOT HAVING a GM. And yes, GMs win and lose, but to think that any of us is prepared to make those 4th round picks from only the news sources we have is crazy.

exactly. All you did was say how a quarterback would fit into those teams. That was really a read on the teams wasnt it? I'm asking you to do talent evaluation. Anyway the point is rhetorical mostly because you're not an NFL GM. You have neither the skill nor the support of scouts and coaches, nor the amount of time nor the access to the materials they have. Why do I say you dont have the skill? Because if you did, you wouldnt put yourself up as a GM without having those things. You'd know better. Seriously, dude, your ego is out of control.

no, youre all over the place. I've seen you change from one player to another, from one position to another. You are not an NFL GM, you just arent. And you dont have a scouting and coaching staff to fall back on, you just dont. Here's a direct challenge. Accurately predict the outcome of the 5 QBs selected in round one. DO it here, concretely, with stats predictions for the next 3 years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect

Right. Since so many drafted players flame out in the NFL, predicting someone will suck and then having them suck does NOT mean that you know more than GMs. To prove that, you'd need to list players you DO want to draft, only one in every round, who was available at your pick, and then follow to see how they progressed. That would be a fairer test.

Miller was totally off of my radar. When they picked him that was the first I'd personally heard of him. And you all know I wanted Edmunds, so I guess it took me a moment of inertia to switch my outlook. I'm all in on Roquan Smith, and I'm glad we picked an ILB. But I'm with you guys. I don't know why, but I'm somehow really excited for Miller. I can't figure out exactly why that's happened. I'm not even so blown away by his film. He's just productive as hell, and if he can keep it up, then he and Cohen and Gabriel can show the world something about being players that may not have ideal measurables, but just play the hell out of some football. And I'm excited for Smith too. And Robinson. I don't think there's been anywhere near enough enthusiasm for that signing. We have the firepower to build a really good offense. And one more thing - if we do what it looks like were going to, and play the style we are tooling up for, Trubisky will erase Jay Cutler from the Bears QB record books. Cuz for real, that was brutal.